UT Mormons Imposing Religion on Everyone Else--Again

[_bcspace]

I thought republicans were against big government interference in private enterprise?

They are. So the appropriate Utah response in law should be, bottoms up but be prepared to face the consequences.

[_ludwigm]

Ooooh, that tolerant religions...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... slims.html

6:45AM BST 22 Oct 2010

Planning officials acted against Beverley Akciecek, 49, after being told her next door neighbour's Muslim friends had felt ''physically sick'' due to the ''foul odour.''

The fan has been in Beverley's Snack Shack takeaway in the Shaw Heath area of the town for the past three years.

And the mother-of-seven whose husband Cetin, 50, is himself a Turkish Muslim work more than fifty hours a week buying, preparing and cooking hot and cold sandwiches and hot-pots for their customers.

But neighbour Graham Webb-Lee complained that his Muslim friends refused to visit him becase they ''can't stand the smell of bacon.''

And councillors at Liberal Democrat run Stockport Council in Greater Manchester ruled the 'odours given off from the vent were unacceptable for neighbouring residents.'

[_asbestosman]

Only reasonable if said steak was sacrificed as part of a pagan ceremony.

Does the Pagan ceremony of Winter Solstice count? How about the eggs at Easter?

I was, of course, kidding when I quoted 1 Cor. However, I do believe that the underlying principle taught in that chapter is that while many things may be harmless in and of themselves we do need to be careful about how it may effect others. Paul was saying that there's nothing inherently wrong with eating meat sacrificed to idols so long as you and those watching you understand that you do not believe in said idols.

But yeah, it's easy to take too far. You can't live life trying to avoid offending everyone. Better to just figure out who's worth pissing off. Some of us have that down better than others.

Wise master. Young grasshopper wants to know secret.

[_Malcolm]

On a more serious level, Mormons impose their religion even in the marking of a gravesite.

The Mountain Meadows Massacre Memorial would have a Christian cross atop it or at least near by, had it been erected by any other denomination.

Mormons killed the Fancher party, belatedly apologised, and then impose their own 'values' on the memorial by omitting a Christian Cross.

[_The Nehor]

But yeah, it's easy to take too far. You can't live life trying to avoid offending everyone. Better to just figure out who's worth pissing off.

The French.

[_Buffalo]

But yeah, it's easy to take too far. You can't live life trying to avoid offending everyone. Better to just figure out who's worth pissing off.

The French.

Most people who hate the French, I find, do so out of jealousy. :)

[_Yoda]

On a more serious level, Mormons impose their religion even in the marking of a gravesite.

The Mountain Meadows Massacre Memorial would have a Christian cross atop it or at least near by, had it been erected by any other denomination.

Mormons killed the Fancher party, belatedly apologised, and then impose their own 'values' on the memorial by omitting a Christian Cross.

Did the Fancher family request that a Christian cross be erected?

I have a hard time believing that the Church would flat-out say "No," if it was something that the family was insistent on.

I'm honestly curious about this. Do you have records of the what transpired with that?

[_harmony]

Well, just when you thought the Utah legislature had made some strides toward injecting a smidgen of common sense into its liquor laws, they've gone and reversed course again. Mormons int he legislature passed a bill that will bring back partitions in restaurants serving alcohol--including now restaurants serving only beer. That's right. Not only do Mormons not drink alcohol themselves as a personal religious practice, they want everyone else in the state of Utah to be affected by their own peculiar religious customs. In fact, not only do they want to limit what non-Mormons consume (by limiting the alcohol content of beer, for example), they don't even want people to have to see alcoholic drinks being opened and poured. I'm surprised they don't force restaurants to serve drinks wrapped in brown paper bags. I wonder if Mitt Romney will be pushing for national legislation to put Zion Curtains up all across the land. Maybe someone should ask him. I mean, if Mormons do this kind of stuff when they are in power in Utah, why wouldn't they do it if they came to national power?
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52477959-78/beer-restaurants-partitions-utah.html.csp

This really makes Utah look stupid... and naïve. Why would anyone vote for such a thing, let alone ALL of them? What difference does it make to the amount of alcohol a single patron drinks, just because he can't see his bartender draw/make his drink? This wall serves no purpose.

Oh wait! It's Utah. Laws serving no purpose start in the COB.

[_Chap]

On a more serious level, Mormons impose their religion even in the marking of a gravesite.

The Mountain Meadows Massacre Memorial would have a Christian cross atop it or at least near by, had it been erected by any other denomination.

Mormons killed the Fancher party, belatedly apologised, and then impose their own 'values' on the memorial by omitting a Christian Cross.

Did the Fancher family request that a Christian cross be erected?

I have a hard time believing that the Church would flat-out say "No," if it was something that the family was insistent on.

I'm honestly curious about this. Do you have records of the what transpired with that?

Did not the original memorial erected by Brevet Major (Captain) James Carleton, the commanding officer of Company K 1st US Dragoons from Fort Tejon, in 1859, have a cross on top of it? It is said to have been destroyed some time later, perhaps at the instance of Brigham Young, perhaps not.

See the discussion here, which includes the following quote:

In favor of the claim that Brigham had something to do with the monument's destruction, Brooks cites:

... her grandfather, Dudley Leavitt, to one of his sons, who recorded it: "‘I was with a group of elders that went out with President Young to visit the spot in the spring of ’61. The soldiers had put up a monument, and on top of that a wooden cross with words burned into it, ‘Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord, I will repay.’ Brother Brigham read that to himself and studied it for a while and then he read it out loud, ‘Vengeance is mine saith the Lord; I have repaid.’ He didn’t say another word. He didn’t give an order. He just lifted his right arm to the square, and in five minutes there wasn’t one stone left upon another. He didn’t have to tell us what he wanted done. We understood.’"

[_Malcolm]

On a more serious level, Mormons impose their religion even in the marking of a gravesite.

The Mountain Meadows Massacre Memorial would have a Christian cross atop it or at least near by, had it been erected by any other denomination.

Mormons killed the Fancher party, belatedly apologised, and then impose their own 'values' on the memorial by omitting a Christian Cross.

Did the Fancher family request that a Christian cross be erected?

I have a hard time believing that the Church would flat-out say "No," if it was something that the family was insistent on.

I'm honestly curious about this. Do you have records of the what transpired with that?

Hi Liz,
I would be on unsafe ground if I were to say that the Church flat out refused to erect a Christian cross on the memorial, however, we do know that the Cairn raised by Brevet Major James H. Carleton and his soldiers was destroyed
and that did have a Cross on it's site. General consensus among the Fancher family seems to suggest that it was done on the orders of BY.

See
http://1857massacre.com/MMM/brigham_you ... crated.htm

Quite naturally one would expect an element of bitterness to appear on such a
site, but considering the heinous nature of what happened to their ancestors
it seems pretty level headed to me. It is listed as Copyright 2006 by James Franklin Kirkman and Dr. Burr Fancher.
Most of the victims were Methodist and a Cross would have been in keeping
with Christian sentiments.


edit for some reason the link is not coming up as I typed it.
it should read 1857massacre.com/MMM/brigham_young_desecrated.htm