Bridgett Meyers: The Un-anti-Mormon

[_Droopy]

I am sorry Droopy but this is not the case. Just go up to the celestial thread on finances where you did almost nothing but personally attack Harmony. I can double check later but I do not think she did anything to attach you or bait you. You often swoop into threads in full attack rhetoric mode.

As I said, I respond periodically over time with passion and aggressiveness, and I can and do use personal attacks now and then. I'm saying that the overwhelming majority of my posting history is an attempt at intellectual discourse, much of which has been historically rebuffed here and derailed, as are many attempts at serious discourse by others.

Kevin has been civil at times but I agree with you that often his tone is very aggressive and hostile. However I do not think his posts typically lack substance.

"At times," yes, but even here, at his best, he can never overcome the temptation to pose as smarter than his opponents and take low shots at their intelligence and character.

Not so. Graham typically backs up his posting with evidence and support. I think he would do better to leave it at that and avoid the cynical snide remarks and personal attacks that he does hurl.

Unfortunately, the "evidence and support" you mention here is usually, upon critical inspection, either intellectually weak-kneed or simply bogus.

But enough. You want, as is usual, to defend the critics of the Church, which is your prerogative, but I have no desire to engage you in any further in an argument over who is the lesser or greater evil, with you as moral referee above the fray.

[_Droopy]

(1) It's Bridget, not Bridgett. If you're gonna dedicate an entire thread to me, at least spell my damn name right.

OK Brigatte.

(2) I don't go by my husband's surname anymore (which is Meyers, not Myers). My name at birth was Jeffries and I go by that now.

Are you divorced? Sorry, I didn't know.

(3) Yes, I removed the post I did on Kevin Graham's bio several months after I posted it---or rather, I clicked "make private" so that it's out of the public eye but not gone. My reason for removing it is confidential.

Indeed...

It had zero to do with being embarrassed by my friendship with Kevin or fearing that affiliation with Kevin would cause me to appear "anti-Mormon" or anything of the sort.

But of course...

[_Kevin Graham]

The only reason Jack removed my post was because one of my family members, who is LDS (for now), came across it and asked her to. Apparently this happened a long time ago.

So Droopy can continue to look like a jackass with his "MsJack doesn't like Kevin" theories, or he can be a adult and drop it.

But I am grateful for this thread. It reminded me to browse her blog, which I haven't in quite some time. I think I'll write something for it next week.

Just for you Loran.

[_harmony]

Look at this post, for instance, which is in Celestial, for goodness' sake:

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Harmony is an apostate fraud who remains in the church to poison and corrupt the faith and testimony of others, and to pull them out of the gospel and into her own apostate world of self righteous and self serving bigotry.
...

I know some other people in my personal life, and indeed, in my own family, just as immoral, just as fraudulent, just as lacking in integrity, just as phony, and just as sanctimoniously high and mighty when putting on their act of pious moral superiority for the consumption of others, and perhaps I've just run out of patience with it.

What on earth are the mods doing by letting this kind of abuse stay in Celestial? The rules for that forum clearly state:

2. No personal attacks allowed whatsoever.
3. No disrespectful communications allowed. Address the ideas, not the person who posts them.

Droopy's post clearly violates both of those in a blatant manner.

The last time I tried to defend myself, Will (and Droopy) called me a liar. So I let it stand. If another mod wants to move it, they're free to do so.

[_Droopy]

To think that Loran actually believes this is pretty depressing. Could one possibly be more self-deluded?

Listen to Prozac, Kevin...

The first time I knocked heads with Loran he was posting as Coggins and he came at me out of the blue over the Book of Abraham subject. He accused me of being (the usual slurs) that Mormons love to call apostates.

Such as?

Ever since then he has always been the one to initiate hostilities between us.

Oh yes, you've got me now, Kevin...

Every time, without exception. He has done so over at MAD recently as well. I never, ever try to engage him. In fact, I don't think anyone does, and it obviously bothers him. How many threads have we seen him start that go nowhere?

I have a long posting history at MAD, going back probably ten years, with a large number of threads receiving a great deal of participation.

So no, he doesn't just respond to critics who "bait" him. He's not that important, and I this bothers him.

This is just the amateur polemical psychology Scratch has been trafficking in for quite sometime. Its just the same formatted ad hominem can't he and the other members of the posse have made a part of their pose here for years.

What bothers me is Graham's 24/7 obsession with the Church and his obsessive desire to destroy it and the faith and testimony of as many of its members as is possible for one demagogue. His pose of being "smart" when, in point of fact, save for a very few gospel oriented subjects, he is woefully unread and approaches most discussions with the style and temperament of an emotionally unraveled political activist, is also about as insufferable as it gets.

The reality is he goes after people who have left the faith and calls them every name in the book.

I've never done any such thing. So now we can add "liar" to the long list of other behavioral attributes you bring to such forums as this.

He thinks this is his way to get back into the good graces of the Mormons who turned him away - mostly due to his extreme Right Wing ranting that rates a 147 on the Limbaugh scale.

Who's "turned me away?" I don't seem to recall that ever happening.

No amount of refutation will shut him up.

You've never refuted a bloody thing in your entire online life. Apologists and serious thinkers have had a field day with you for years trying to remind you, as with the KEP issue, that you don't know what you're talking about in the vast majority of cases, and that you make a great deal of stuff up as you go along and foist it in arguments as proven fact. Its the well established tactic of the demagogic, muckraking journalist and committed but intellectually insecure political activist, but not of a philosopher or scholar.

There is dumb, there is ignorant, and then there is Droopy. That's something special.

There are poseurs, and there are intellectual hacks, and then there are people who wear white sheets and burn crosses who strike out in bigoted hate against that which threatens their worldview and the flimsy justifications for their bigotry, lest the truth destroy their self justificational fantasy and collapse their entire cardboard intellectual world down around their ears.

He is the unique kind of bigoted zealot who actually gets energized when he is proven to be a know-nothing.

The Kevin Klux Klan just fumes and foams and calls everyone it cannot defeat in civil argument inferior to itself. Kevin, you're nothing but a shrill, narcissistic bigot of a kind with a long and sordid history within the Church. But I wish that were not the case.

I really do.

[_Droopy]

Droopy,

why do you even care about this? What is your problem? Graham? MsJack? Who cares? This is doing you no good. This is the kind of venting that Abman has expressed as the problem over at RfM. read his thread--see if it fits.

You're absolutely right, stem, and so I'm going to end my participation in it in this thread with this post. If Kevin can ever find it within himself to behave like a civilized adult, perhaps he will find that he no longer brings upon himself retorts such as mine and that of others which are not positive in content.

[_MsJack]

OK Brigatte.

Suit yourself, Lorna.

Are you divorced?

No. Been married seven years, ten months as of today.

The only reason Jack removed my post was because one of my family members, who is LDS (for now), came across it and asked her to.

This. The family member in question sounded distraught about the post, and did not want me to tell Kevin about his/her request. So I figured the best thing to do would be to wait until interest in the post had died down, then quietly remove it.

And that's what I did.

Lorna isn't the first person to notice it was missing. Chris Smith asked me about it quite some time ago.

[Guest]

tyh

[_Droopy]

I agree with this assessment. However, I am looking for you guys to refute his arguments with quotes and references or reasons why his quotes and references (if any) are no good. Would be much better than closing down the threads and leaving it to look as if we have nothing with which to gainsay. Pahoran and others have fallen into the trap of meeting invective with invective instead of sticking with cold hard logic and facts.

All too true, but the temptation...


At the height of my addiction to alcohol, telling Kevin Graham what I think of him would have been a greater temptation than a brand new two liter bottle of Absolut.

A free bottle.

[_Doctor Scratch]

As I said, I respond periodically over time with passion and aggressiveness, and I can and do use personal attacks now and then. I'm saying that the overwhelming majority of my posting history is an attempt at intellectual discourse,

Is that really true? Let's take a look at some samples of your first 10 or so posts as "Droopy":

1. Just one semester of logic at one's local community college would do wonders.

I should also have pointed out the obvious-and classic-incipient totalitarian mindset of the author. That which we have come to call "Liberalism" is, when the gloves come off, anything but.

Coggins7 is dead, long live Droopy.

This brings my username here into harmony with that used at the MAD boards.

You forgot, "or else...".

After Shades reset my name and password, I couldn't log in for a while. It took some time, but its been solved, as you can see.

In Cuba, the ACLU folks would be imprisoned or shot for being witless dupes. No one stupid enough to actually accept the rope from which they are to be hung deserve much respect in a system that worships at the alter of raw, unaccountable power. The right to lifers would be imprisoned or shot on general principles.

[SNIP!]

Mindless gibberish. What are you talking about?

I'm not sure you'd know what a free society is if your life depended upon that judgment Dude.

Can't you even try, Rollo, to debate an educated conservative with some degree of intellectual seriousness?

You have just crossed the line of no return. You have just thrown to the winds any credibility, of whatever human kind, you ever had.

Droopy is my favorite cartoon character of all time. Droopy is all, and all is Droopy. Droopy is the summum bonum of all WWII era cartoon characters.

There is an unpardonable sin, and you have just committed it.

Repentance will be hard for this one...

Oh, I thought he was about to lick some cupcakes...

I'm thinking that it's fair to say that this is a representative sampling of your posting, Droopy. So, the "periodically" and "now and then" in your post seem way off the mark.