Caffeine is bad for you spiritually

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Wisdom Seeker wrote:
Wisdom Seeker wrote:I am glad I came across this as I am dealing with a caffeine withdrawal headache and if you state is correct my spiritual conduits are opening up. I am interested to see where this journey will lead. I still am eating meat so we should be able to isolate just caffeine related products in this test.


Returning and reporting: Day 2 without caffeine. Headache still there, nearly fell asleep at work and not feeling very spiritual. Having my blood pressure checked each night this week to see what happens physically. I will pick up a Book of Mormon tonight to see if I get spiritual.


Returning and reporting: Day 3 without caffeine. Well last night I opened up the Book of Mormon for the first time in a long time. I perused through some of my old favorite verses and found myself asleep before I knew it (A little caffeine would have kept me awake). The headache is gone this morning and I don't feel spiritual. But something did take place last night that was a little different. I was visiting the MDB chat and some of the things being discussed in there made me feel a stemmy. In other words I was a somewhat disgusted by some of the crude speech that was taking place in there. Actually to more accurately define it I felt more belmonted than stemmy. If this is the first steps to becoming more spiritual then I think I am on my way.
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jon wrote:CSA,

What will be the make up of the sample group and the control group of your experiment?


I now have commitments from the Stake Presidency, and three members of the High Council, and I am sure I will have quite a few for my sample group by October. The Stake President of my stake will be issuing a letter to be read in the wards of the stake with some preparatory guidelines which members of the Stake should follow prior to our Stake temple day in October. The goal is to get people in the stake to give up caffeinated sodas and other things that have caffeine in them.

The four major highlights of preparing for this Stake Temple day is fasting, prayer, scripture reading and a new commitment to following the Word of Wisdom. He agrees with me that the intake of caffeine is a problem. A guy on the High Council is making some kind of web based survey in which stake members are to record level of commitment and spirituality throughout the two weeks before Stake Temple day and a week after. I will be coming up with relevant questions for the survey.

Yes I am biased in my view on this matter and I hope to soon have some good evidence to support my position.
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This thread is proof of the efficacy of weed in stimulating bizarre ideas.
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CSA wrote:
jon wrote:CSA,

What will be the make up of the sample group and the control group of your experiment?


I now have commitments from the Stake Presidency, and three members of the High Council, and I am sure I will have quite a few for my sample group by October. The Stake President of my stake will be issuing a letter to be read in the wards of the stake with some preparatory guidelines which members of the Stake should follow prior to our Stake temple day in October. The goal is to get people in the stake to give up caffeinated sodas and other things that have caffeine in them.

The four major highlights of preparing for this Stake Temple day is fasting, prayer, scripture reading and a new commitment to following the Word of Wisdom. He agrees with me that the intake of caffeine is a problem. A guy on the High Council is making some kind of web based survey in which stake members are to record level of commitment and spirituality throughout the two weeks before Stake Temple day and a week after. I will be coming up with relevant questions for the survey.

Yes I am biased in my view on this matter and I hope to soon have some good evidence to support my position.

So...say I was in your Stake, and decided not to give up my daily Pepsi. Would the SP yank my temple recommend, or not permit me to participate in the Stake Temple day?
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CSA wrote:Yes I am biased in my view on this matter and I hope to soon have some good evidence to support my position.


First you need to define spirituality in a way that can be measured or detected before any study can really be done. What scientifically accepted methods are you going to employ, and how are you going to eliminate confirmation bias in your results?
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café crema wrote:
kamenraider wrote:I'm a "real Mormon" and my fridge is stocked with cold bottles of Coke. I'd give one to each of you if I could, and then teach you to sing in perfect harmony.


In glass bottles from Mexico? I used to get them only in Mexican restaurants, now they're all over, even Pepsi tastes good in these bottles. Why can't you get them "made in the USA"????

Sorry you somehow slipped my list, but I don't recall anything from you that puts you in mind of those I listed??


Stop holding out on us kamenraider! Have you really got the good stuff? Cane sugar? Glass bottles? Do you have a supplier over the border?
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CSA,

I didn't detect any non-Mormons in your sample group?
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jon wrote:CSA,

I didn't detect any non-Mormons in your sample group?


I would welcome them, but the Holy Ghost works with those who have been baptized and have received the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands.

While I sense that non-Mormon can and do feel some sort of spirituality, my guess is that it doesn't come close to what a person can feel when they have the gift of the Holy Ghost and follows the Word of Wisdom.

The Stake President will not refuse temple recommends on the basis of drinking caffeinated soda, just coffee and tea (cold or hot).
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CSA wrote:
jon wrote:CSA,

I didn't detect any non-Mormons in your sample group?


I would welcome them, but the Holy Ghost works with those who have been baptized and have received the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands.


You are incorrect.
The Holy Ghost is available to unbaptised people - look at Moroni's challenge as an example, which Missionaries encourage people that they interact with, to use as the only method of determining truth.
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CSA wrote:There is no question that the brain acts differently when caffeine is ingested. Many claim that they can perform physically better, answer questions or solve problems quicker or even focus better when under the influence of caffeine.

While caffeine rushes blood to the Temporal lobes it does it at the expense of removing and possibly damaging the Frontal lobe. The temporal lobes at full stimulation causes individuals to speak quicker, remember things faster but the frontal lobe may in fact be critical in spirituality.

The frontal lobe is associated with reasoning, planning and emotions which very well may be three major and critical aspects to growing spiritually. I believe the damage being caused by caffeine to the prefrontal cortex can be reversed by withdrawal from these harmful substances. While the Word of Wisdom mentions physical benefits that may happen from following it, I believe the greatest benefits are spiritual.


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Martin Luther, the founder of Protestantism was, himself, banished. And yet his protests survived from 1517 and are the foundation for all protest religious views to Roman Catholicism which have followed.

As for your reference to “spirituality,” it pales in comparison to the myriad of various movements including Mormonism, a very late entry to Protestant Reformation of Roman Catholicism.

Your reference to “caffeine” is mere trivia compared with the evolution of the Protestant Reformation begun by Martin Luther, CSA.

You know not where of you speak or of the historical evolution of religious perspectives within the particular views of Christianity over many centuries.

You will recall that the “Christ” of Christianity turned water into wine. Caffeine aside, consumption of liquids is commensurate and historic in the evolution of life forms which include the human species.

Your view, CSA, is far too narrow to comport with the history of Christianity, let alone with the evolution of the human species. To illustrate, you state: “I believe the damage being caused by caffeine to the prefrontal cortex can be reversed by withdrawal from these harmful substances.”

Note, “I believe” for which you offer nothing by way of evidence stands as mere assertion. Hence, it carries no weight, no validity.

Your articulation reflects a most narrow and inaccurate notion of documented historical fact regarding the evolution of Christianity. While you use medical/scientific terms, you have no concept of medicine or science.

As for your references to “spiritual,” you also demonstrate no concept of the breadth of what that notion reflects historically. What is “spiritual”? It’s a vague, non-descript notion of a vague, non-descript perception conceived in superstition and ignorance, CSA.

While my intention is not to insult you, you are insulated from knowledge regarding your “spiritual” claims referencing caffeine. “Spiritual” is a term of reference which merely reflects an emotional response.

“The brain” (as you characterize) responds in a variety of ways to various stimuli. For surgery, medical science renders people unconscious for a surgical procedure which would result in horrendous pain without anesthetic. While it is not “caffeine,” anesthetic(s) used in surgeries also alters the human brain’s response to stimuli. Caffeine is nothing compared with anesthetic used in surgery to maintain comfort and to render unconscious those upon whom surgical procedures are performed.

In short, you know not where of you speak in your general opposition to “caffeine” found in many drinks people fine pleasurable and even valuable. Medical science has not found moderate consumption of caffeine a specific or general threat.

Religious dogma contaminates facts and information.

JAK
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