"The term Lamanite includes all Indians and Indian mixtures"

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The explaination could merely be that you're 17 years behind on your reading.

Or, more likely, that as usual you're making this up as you go.

Not at all. But you get a break. You're only 13 years off.

[_Buffalo]

Not at all. But you get a break. You're only 13 years off.

I wasn't aware that the inspired words of the Lord's anointed were subject to expiration upon the pronouncement of an unordained ark-steadier.

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I wasn't aware that the inspired words of the Lord's anointed were subject to expiration upon the pronouncement of an unordained ark-steadier.

It asn't an unordained ark-steadier who approved publication.

[_Buffalo]

I wasn't aware that the inspired words of the Lord's anointed were subject to expiration upon the pronouncement of an unordained ark-steadier.

It asn't an unordained ark-steadier who approved publication.

The order of revelation is clear. It comes not through apologists nor through magazine editors. It must come directly through the prophets and apostles.

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The order of revelation is clear. It comes not through apologists nor through magazine editors. It must come directly through the prophets and apostles

Who approve publication yes. Not even likely to be a mistake as the Sorenson article was a two parter separated by a couple of months.

[_Buffalo]

The order of revelation is clear. It comes not through apologists nor through magazine editors. It must come directly through the prophets and apostles

Who approve publication yes. Not even likely to be a mistake as the Sorenson article was a two parter separated by a couple of months.

You have no evidence of that. Even so, revelation must come through the prophets, not the janitors. I'm surprised you don't know that.

[_jon]

Who approve publication yes. Not even likely to be a mistake as the Sorenson article was a two parter separated by a couple of months.

You have no evidence of that. Even so, revelation must come through the prophets, not the janitors. I'm surprised you don't know that.

Buff, I'm calling you out as a liar...there's no way you're surprised...

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Who approve publication yes. Not even likely to be a mistake as the Sorenson article was a two parter separated by a couple of months.

You have no evidence of that.

I think most intellectually honest people understand the remotely small odds of all 15 prophets and apostles actually missing the publication of so important an article spread out over a few months.

[_Buffalo]

I think most intellectually honest people understand the remotely small odds of all 15 prophets and apostles actually missing the publication of so important an article spread out over a few months.

I think they have more important things to do, like managing the church's business affairs.

[_Brackite]

Here is more of that Quote, From The 12th LDS President, Spencer W. Kimball:

With pride I tell those who come to my office that a Lamanite is a descendant of one Lehi who left Jerusalem six hundred years before Christ and with his family crossed the mighty deep and landed in America. And Lehi and his family became the ancestors of all of the Indian and Mestizo tribes in North and South and Central America and in the islands of the sea, for in the middle of their history there were those who left America in ships of their making and went to the islands of the sea.
Not until the revelations of Joseph Smith, bringing forth the Book of Mormon, did any one know of these migrants. It was not known before, but now the question is fully answered. Now the Lamanites number about sixty million; they are in all of the states of America from Tierra del Fuego all the way up to Point Barrows, and they are in nearly all the islands of the sea from Hawaii south to southern New Zealand. The Church is deeply interested in all Lamanites because of these revelations and because of this great Book of Mormon, their history that was written on plates of gold and deposited in the hill. The translation by the Prophet Joseph Smith revealed a running history for one thousand years—six hundred years before Christ until four hundred after Christ—a history of these great people who occupied this land for that thousand years. Then for the next fourteen hundred years, they lost much of their high culture. The descendants of this mighty people were called Indians by Columbus in 1492 when he found them here.
The term Lamanite includes all Indians and Indian mixtures, such as the Polynesians, the Guatemalans, the Peruvians, as well as the Sioux, the Apache, the Mohawk, the Navajo, and others. It is a large group of great people.

The Following is from the LDS Apologist, Jeff Lindsay's DNA Book of Mormon Web Site Page:

In reviewing a work of John Sorenson (Nephite Culture and Society: Selected Papers, Salt Lake City: New Sage Books, 1997), Brant A. Gardner notes additional factors that point to the presence of others that Lehi and his group almost certainly encountered upon coming to the Americas (Gardner, 2001; see also Brant Gardner's online article, "A Social History of the Early Nephites"). For example, 2 Nephi 5:5,6 lists people in Lehi's group who went with Nephi as he split from Laman and Lemuel and their followers. Nephi lists his family, Sam and his family, Zoram and his family, Jacob and Joseph, his sisters, "and all those who would go with me." He then explains that "all those who would go with me were those who believed in the warnings and revelations of God; wherefore, they did hearken unto my words" (2 Nephi 5:6). It appears that Laman, Lemuel, and the sons of Ishmael, who had been antagonistic to Nephi, are those left behind. The group of unnamed "others" seems by necessity to have included people other than those who came with Nephi from Jerusalem. If there were only one or two others, we would expect Nephi to list them. It's hard to say how many there might have been, but perhaps members of a local hamlet or group of hamlets may have allied with the technologically superior Old World group, helping the latter to learn how to survive in the New World while benefiting from their technology (particularly knowledge of metals).

Link: http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/DNA.shtml



Is this really a correct interpretation of 2nd Nephi Chapter five, verses five and six? We Must Remember that the Prophet Nephi does Not mention any other People within 1st Nephi Chapter 18, Verse 25.
Here is that Scriptural Passage:

1 Nephi 18:

[25] And it came to pass that we did find upon the land of promise, as we journeyed in the wilderness, that there were beasts in the forests of every kind, both the cow and the ox, and the ass and the horse, and the goat and the wild goat, and all manner of wild animals, which were for the use of men. And we did find all manner of ore, both of gold, and of silver, and of copper.

Let Us Now go to Jacob Chapter Seven, verse 26:

Jacob 7:

[26] And it came to pass that I, Jacob, began to be old; and the record of this people being kept on the other plates of Nephi, wherefore, I conclude this record, declaring that I have written according to the best of my knowledge, by saying that the time passed away with us, and also our lives passed away like as it were unto us a dream, we being a lonesome and a solemn people, wanderers, cast out from Jerusalem, born in tribulation, in a wilderness, and hated of our brethren, which caused wars and contentions; wherefore, we did mourn out our days.

(Italic Emphasized Mine.)



We can see by comparing 1st Nephi Chapter 18, verse 25 with Jacob Chapter Seven, verse 26 that the Passage of 2nd Nephi Chapter five, verses five and six does not mean what the LDS Apologist Jeff Lindsay wants it to mean. We must conclude in light of the Passages of 1st Nephi Chapter 18, verse 25 with Jacob Chapter Seven, verse 26 that the Passage of 2nd Nephi Chapter five, verses five and six means that there were only one or two others, who went with the People of Nephi, who were Not Native Americans.
Remember that Scripture interprets Scripture.




The Following information is from Wikipedia:

Haplogroup X is also one of the five haplogroups found in the indigenous peoples of the Americas.[6] Although it occurs only at a frequency of about 3% for the total current indigenous population of the Americas, it is a bigger haplogroup in northern North America, where among the Algonquian peoples it comprises up to 25% of mtDNA types.[7][8] It is also present in lesser percentages to the west and south of this area—among the Sioux (15%), the Nuu-Chah-Nulth (11%–13%), the Navajo (7%), and the Yakama (5%).[9]
Unlike the four main Native American mtDNA haplogroups (A, B, C, D), and the Y-chromosome sub-haplogroup Q1a3a, X is not at all strongly associated with East Asia. The main occurrence of X in Asia discovered so far is in the Altay people in Southwestern Siberia,[10] and detailed examination[4] has shown that the Altaian sequences are all almost identical (haplogroup X2e), suggesting that they arrived in the area probably from the South Caucasus more recently than 5,000 BP.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_X_(mtDNA)



Haplogroup X is the only one of the five haplogroups found within the indigenous Peoples of the Americas that is not strongly associated with Eastern Asian. Haplogroups A, B, C, and D are all strongly associated with Eastern Asia.


in my opinion, The most damning evidence against John Sorenson's Isthmus of Tehuantepec Setting for the Book of Mormon are the DNA Results that have been Published from the Native Mesoamericans from Mexico. Out of one of the Published DNA Results, which consisted of 477 individuals from the Native Mesoamericans from Mexico, 241 of them belonged to haplogroup A2, 136 of them belonged to haplogroup C1, 84 of them belonged to haplogroup B2, 13 of them belonged to haplogroup D1, two of them belonged to haplogroup D4h3, while just one of them belonged to an European haplogroup.
Haplogroup X has Not been found within any of the indigenous Peoples that live South of the Isthmus of Tehuantepec.


Linguistic and maternal genetic diversity are not correlated in Native Mexicans:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez