liz3564 wrote:But put into perspective of other religions, I really don't see it, particularly in its current form, as being anymore negative to society at large than any other type of deeply religious symbolic ceremony.
But put into perspective of other fast food restaurants, I really don't see McDonald's, particularly in its current form, as being anymore negative to society at large than any other type of styrofoam serving fast food joint.
I thought we'd established, liz, that the argument "all the other religions suck just as bad as mine does" was not a terribly effective one.
So, if people like McDonald's, what's wrong with it? Should it be condemned, simply because you don't like it? Shouldn't whether or not one eats there be a matter of choice and personal preference?
For the record, Screech, I am sorry that your experience with the temple was so emotionally painful for you. I had a very good friend in college who had gotten married the year before. She actually walked me through everything before I went through the temple, so I knew exactly what to expect. I will always be grateful to her for that. I did the same thing with my daughter. I am glad that the changes which were made happened. My personal feeling is that the current temple ceremony is much more spiritual with the new changes than the old one. There is no more touching in the initiatory, either.
My point in this discussion has been more in general terms of various religious worship. In my opinion, all religions have different types of rituals. Some more than others. I think that the reason the temple ceremony seems so "out of place" with the rest of LDS worship is because, frankly, LDS Church services are so pablum.
The Catholic Church, for example, is very rich with pomp and circumstance. When I attended a Palm Sunday service at a friend's Catholic congregation, it was quite a spectacle....beautiful music...everyone waving their little mini palm tree branch on cue!
In Judaism, have you ever attended a bar mitzvah or a briss?
The LDS temple is the only place where any type of symbolism or ceremony occurs. But put into perspective of other religions, I really don't see it, particularly in its current form, as being anymore negative to society at large than any other type of deeply religious symbolic ceremony.
Thanks for the clarification and I am not familiar with its current form...That said, I see a distinct difference between the rituals of other religions and the LDS temple ceremony in which participants dress up and pretend to be other people WHILE pretending to be other people while learning the steps to becoming gods - that goes way beyond "symbolism". The initiatory was completely nuts and I find many aspects of the endowment very disturbing...That said, I am glad that you like it and that you find peace there.
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Screech wrote:hanks for the clarification and I am not familiar with its current form...That said, I see a distinct difference between the rituals of other religions and the LDS temple ceremony in which participants dress up and pretend to be other people WHILE pretending to be other people while learning the steps to becoming gods - that goes way beyond "symbolism". The initiatory was completely nuts and I find many aspects of the endowment very disturbing...That said, I am glad that you like it and that you find peace there.
I appreciate your point, and thank you for your civility. Maybe Darth can follow your example.
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Hypocrite.
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Hello Mr. Simon,
I'm glad to see you and the 5th Columnist are in collusion. By the way, Good Sir, when are you appearing on Dr. Scratch's blog? I think you'd make a very, very fascinating entry!
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In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
I'm glad to see you and the 5th Columnist are in collusion. By the way, Good Sir, when are you appearing on Dr. Scratch's blog? I think you'd make a very, very fascinating entry!
V/R Dr. Cam
We aren't in collusion. I just don't agree with your language toward her.
Well, I don't agree with you existing, but we can't always get what we want.
Seriously, though.
You're a Turd Monster.
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In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.