Peterson at it again, blasting away in the comments

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Re: Peterson at it again, blasting away in the comments

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Buffalo wrote:You do it all the time. Constantly. You really aren't aware that you're doing it?


I don't doubt that in my haste I have implied something about every MD poster ,if that's what you're saying. I don't think I do it all the time, and if I catch it I correct it. Obviously the quote you accused me of doing it above didn't do that. Not at all. But that's really beside the point.
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stemelbow wrote:
Buffalo wrote:You do it all the time. Constantly. You really aren't aware that you're doing it?


I don't doubt that in my haste I have implied something about every MD poster ,if that's what you're saying. I don't think I do it all the time, and if I catch it I correct it. Obviously the quote you accused me of doing it above didn't do that. Not at all. But that's really beside the point.


You're right - you only do it when you're in complaint mode.

I prefer it when you're in discussing issues mode. Just my personal preference.
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Buffalo wrote:You're right - you only do it when you're in complaint mode.

I prefer it when you're in discussing issues mode. Just my personal preference.


Stop the complaining and I'll happily be in discussing issues mode. I'm just following the precedent established here--thus my reply in this thread. I would love it if issues were what we focused on, but sadly the general tone, the very atmosphere here has been trained to not be conducive to that. I'm only trying to get you ugys to acknowledge the problem so we can work on it--what's the saying denial is the first step to overcome.
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stemelbow wrote:
Buffalo wrote:You're right - you only do it when you're in complaint mode.

I prefer it when you're in discussing issues mode. Just my personal preference.


Stop the complaining and I'll happily be in discussing issues mode. I'm just following the precedent established here--thus my reply in this thread. I would love it if issues were what we focused on, but sadly the general tone, the very atmosphere here has been trained to not be conducive to that. I'm only trying to get you ugys to acknowledge the problem so we can work on it--what's the saying denial is the first step to overcome.


I think I've only ever complained in the context of complaining about you complaining about other people complaining.

Did I just blow your mind? I did, didn't I.
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Simon Belmont wrote:So, you've listed six items here. For the sake of argument, let us suppose they are all offensive. Then, let us suppose that the single episode four years ago with Infymus was offensive to poor Infymus. Also, we will add in Tal Bachman and Steve Benson, who were obviously, at one time, offended.

So, about ten offensive things. Give or take a few (I'm not very familiar with the Benson episode(s)). This is a far cry from DrW saying that DCP offends almost daily.


No, not "about ten offensive things." There are hundreds of instances in the pages of the Review alone, and the offensives multiply once you begin going through the thousands of posts on ZLMB, FAIR, MAD, MDD, MDB, RfM, and thecafeteria, and elsewhere in cyber-space.

So these things combined, when taken in context, necessitate more than five years of Internet stalking,


What "stalking"? I'd be careful here if I were you, Elder (Moderator Note)in real life information deleted. "Stalking" is a legitimate crime, and falsely accusing someone of doing that could be legally actionable. Do you have evidence of people hacking DCP's Facebook? Or following him around his work or his home? Harassing him via email or PM? Do you have evidence of anything happening beyond criticism of his Mormon-apologetics-related postings and writings?

Again, I want to be clear: I am not here to "attack back" -- I'm done with that. I am genuinely curious.


Okay. So you're genuinely curious. Let's set aside the question of whether or not you think The Good Professor is guilty of hurting, offending, or insulting other people. Let's frame this in purely theoretical terms. Suppose you have an individual who has a sinecure, and who is essentially untouchable. This person has a network of similarly juiced-in friends, access to more or less free legal counsel, and a "fanbase" that will agree to virtually anything he says. Now suppose that this person embarks on a 25+ year career of doling out an endless string of insults directed both at his personal critics, and at people in the midst of having their lives torn to shreds. Suppose that this person uses his network of friends to stage 'sneak attacks' on critics, and that they actively and collectively plot to ruin their enemies reputations. Suppose that this person and his cabal of friends are ruthlessly mean, insulting, and vicious, and that they've been carrying out their attacks for some three decades.

What's your take on this, in terms of justice? (I'm assuming that you believe in the concept of justice.) If you were a judge, and this person came before you, what would be your ruling? In purely theoretical terms--setting aside completely the issue of whether or not this person has had to endure any attacks on his own, and completely setting aside the question of the extent to which the above description applies to DCP--what sentence would you render in this case?
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liz3564 wrote:
Buffalo wrote:By saying he saw no evidence of misogyny from Will.


I honestly don't recall him saying that. I believe that he said that Will showed no signs of misogynistic behavior when they met in person. That's different from stating that he treated women poorly on MDB. As a matter of fact, Dan expressed to me in an email that Will was definitely out of line in his treatment of me.


It's probably best to just leave it at that, Liz. He's obviously going to tell you something very different when he thinks that people aren't watching him. That's how he rolls, of course.

But Buffalo is more or less right---Dan did say, in clear reference to MsJack's posts, that the accusations against Will were "overblown," etc. He said, If I recall correctly, that he thought the demonization of Will was unfair / unjustified. He may have said this over on MDD; probably Kevin or MsJack could supply you with a link, if you think it matters.
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Re: Peterson at it again, blasting away in the comments

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Scratch,

Making threats against me is not allowed.

Making threats against some random person you found in the Internet, whom you believe is me, is even worse. If you are unable to have a civil conversation with me without resorting to threats, then I am done. In fact, because of unrelated recent threats by one of your Cassius representatives, I think I'm done for good.

I hope you find peace.
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Simon Belmont wrote:Scratch,

Making threats against me is not allowed.

Making threats against some random person you found in the Internet, whom you believe is me, is even worse. If you are unable to have a civil conversation with me without resorting to threats, then I am done. In fact, because of unrelated recent threats by one of your Cassius representatives, I think I'm done for good.

I hope you find peace.


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Re: Peterson at it again, blasting away in the comments

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Simon Belmont wrote:Scratch,

Making threats against me is not allowed.

Making threats against some random person you found in the Internet, whom you believe is me, is even worse. If you are unable to have a civil conversation with me without resorting to threats, then I am done. In fact, because of unrelated recent threats by one of your Cassius representatives, I think I'm done for good.

I hope you find peace.


I seem to have missed the threats against Belmont. Can someone please post a link?

(Or could it be that SB is looking for an out ....?)
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Chap wrote:I seem to have missed the threats against Belmont. Can someone please post a link?

(Or could it be that SB is looking for an out ....?)


Hello Mr. Chap,

I wished Mr. Simon hadn't existed, or rather, I wish he doesn't exist. The truth of the matter is I have an apple in front of me right now and I can't tell whether this apple exists, or in fact it's Mr. Simon. I have no idea. Due to his existential arguments I can't tell if anything actually is what it is. The sky seems blue, but in reality it could be black, or worse yet, it doesn't even exist. In fact, my typing these words on a keyboard may just be a non-existent action. It's all very, very confusing.

You know what? I don't think I actually wished for Mr. Simon's non-existence! I think that's just a figment of his imagination, which, doesn't actually exist either! crap, man. I've gone down the rabbit hole.

V/R
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