Yahoo Bot wrote:... the Freudian quest for power that should have no place in Christian society.
Agreed. So why do you think it's prevelant enough to merit acknowledgement by yourself?
Because, as I have pointed out, when a divorced father realizes his Freudian quest for power is out of his grasp in the religion to which he has devoted his life, human nature (or, as I might suggest, Satanic power) suggests that in the weakest of these divorced fathers they will lash out at the religion they used to love.
You don't see this in the Catholic church, because there is no real route to power among the laity.
sock puppet wrote: My point was simply that those that are educated TBM males seem more motivated to attain and thirsting after leadership positions.
Perhaps because being a good husband, a good father, a good neighbor... those aren't emphasized as good enough by themselves?
Agreed, but I do not think you'd find a GA that genuinely did not seek out such advancement.
I hope you are wrong. But then... Packer would not have been able to afford a house at all, had the church not paid for it. So perhaps you right?
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
Jersey Girl wrote: An all girl organization= feminist org=something to be feared An all male organization=religious org=something to be respected
That'd be hysterically funny if it weren't so damn sad.
Not quite, Jersey.
Girls are nothing but walking wombs, so avoidance of an organization that doesn't support that agenda is expected.
Boys, on the other hand, need every opportunity for leadership development that can be easily found and molded to the agenda of the church, thus Boy Scouts is a good choice.
When it comes to women, the LDS church simply pays lip service to it's female members. Half the girls in my GS troop were LDS. The mother's loved participating nearly as much as the girls. I had one Eagle scout (LDS adult) as a resource for orienteering on one camping trip. He was amazed and impressed by the rigorous outdoor program for girls and said so.
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
Bot wrote: The Boy Scout program is essentially a religious organization.
Jersey Girl wrote:Why is there no emphasis on Girl Scouting for LDS girls?
DH wrote:I think girl scouting is viewed as a feminist organization by the church.
An all girl organization= feminist org=something to be feared An all male organization=religious org=something to be respected
That'd be hysterically funny if it weren't so damn sad.
Girl Scouts is not an analogue for the Boy Scouts. The Girl Scouts is not a religious organization. It is expressly a secular organization although it uses "God" in its oath. The Girl Scouts admit atheist leaders and scouts.
Yahoo Bot wrote:Because, as I have pointed out, when a divorced father realizes his Freudian quest for power is out of his grasp in the religion to which he has devoted his life, human nature (or, as I might suggest, Satanic power) suggests that in the weakest of these divorced fathers they will lash out at the religion they used to love.
You don't see this in the Catholic church, because there is no real route to power among the laity.
So you're saying this route to power exists only in the Mormon church, and only divorced men are bothered sufficiently enough by this that they apostacize?
And human nature = Satan?
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
Jersey Girl wrote: An all girl organization= feminist org=something to be feared An all male organization=religious org=something to be respected
That'd be hysterically funny if it weren't so damn sad.
Not quite, Jersey.
Girls are nothing but walking wombs, so avoidance of an organization that doesn't support that agenda is expected.
Boys, on the other hand, need every opportunity for leadership development that can be easily found and molded to the agenda of the church, thus Boy Scouts is a good choice.
You are both right.
I am married to an extremely bright lady. She was encouraged by the LDS Church classes she attended until she quit going at age 14 to prepare for and become a housekeeper and a mother. She was being inculcated with the notion that the only reason a young woman went to college was to look for a husband, if she hadn't already found someone to be her husband by the end of high school (and wait for him until he returned from a 2-year mission).
My grey matter is not nearly as capable as my wife's, but I was encouraged--and given every opportunity--to develop as a bread winner and a leader. I had family and local societal support to achieve college degrees, and 'make something of myself'--opportunities that my wife, just because of her gender, was discouraged from.
That's an example of your point, harmony, in spades.
Yahoo Bot wrote:Because, as I have pointed out, when a divorced father realizes his Freudian quest for power is out of his grasp in the religion to which he has devoted his life, human nature (or, as I might suggest, Satanic power) suggests that in the weakest of these divorced fathers they will lash out at the religion they used to love.
You don't see this in the Catholic church, because there is no real route to power among the laity.
So you're saying this route to power exists only in the Mormon church, and only divorced men are bothered sufficiently enough by this that they apostacize?
And human nature = Satan?
I am not saying that all. I think my posts adequately make my point.
Girl Scouts is not an analogue for the Boy Scouts. The Girl Scouts is not a religious organization. It is expressly a secular organization although it uses "God" in its oath. The Girl Scouts admit atheist leaders and scouts.
GSUSA is no more or less a religious organization than BSA. If I am not mistaken, LDS adopted BSA as part of it's culture in the early 1900's. The membership requirements for leaders were IDENTICAL to that of GSUSA when GSUSA organized in 1912.
Juliette Lowe was taught by Baden-Powell and simulated the program for girls in the US. The Oath and the Promise were near identical and remain near identical to this day with the exception that GUSUA allows it's girl members to insert the name of their source of worship in the promise now.
So blow smoke at someone who doest know better, Bot.
That GSUSA does not prohibit atheists from leadership positions, is a lame attempt at making a case on your part. If LDS are against their children being taught a standard program by atheists then you guys need to pull your children out of the public school system for there, there are influenced by atheists and believer alike for upwards of 45 hours each week compared to a one hour GS meeting each week.
Care to try again?
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
Jersey Girl wrote:When it comes to women, the LDS church simply pays lip service to it's female members. Half the girls in my GS troop were LDS. The mother's loved participating nearly as much as the girls. I had one Eagle scout (LDS adult) as a resource for orienteering on one camping trip. He was amazed and impressed by the rigorous outdoor program for girls and said so.
The Girl Scouting agenda of healthy minds, healthy bodies, healthy self is not the same agenda as the church's agenda for the female membership. Until the Girl Scouts have the same agenda regarding motherhood, the church will never officially allow participation. And since the national Girl Scout organization refuses to pander to a male-oriented organization like the LDS church leadership... well, we both know how that's going to go.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.