Nightlion, when did COJCOLDS apostatize?

[_sock puppet]

Hi, Nightlion,

I know you adhere to JSJr.

Which if any of these:

Brigham Young
John Taylor
Wilford Woodruff
Lorenzo Snow
Joseph F Smith
Heber J Grant
George Albert Smith
David O McKay
Joseph Fielding Smith
Harold B Lee
Spencer W Kimball
Ezra Taft Bension
Howard W Hunter
Gordon B Hinckley
Thomas S Monson

I interested to know when you think that the COJCOLDS apostatized?

[_Yoda]

I'm sure he'll expand, but he gave a good insight to his feelings on the topic here:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=20524&p=504833#p504833

[_sock puppet]

I'm sure he'll expand, but he gave a good insight to his feelings on the topic here:

http://www.mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3 ... 33#p504833

Thanks, liz. I had not seen that.

[_Yoda]

I would still like to see him expand on the topic, though.

I would also be interested in his thoughts on why he feels Brigham Young was a somewhat failed prophet, and if he felt that someone else should have succeeded Joseph Smith.

Also, Nightlion, do you believe that the polygamy revelation was legitimate?

[_harmony]

Also, Nightlion, do you believe that the polygamy revelation was legitimate?

Of course he does; he worships at the shrine of Joseph Smith.

[_jon]

Brigham Young

He was never ordained to the role of CEO (or President/Prophet if you prefer)

[_Nightlion]

Hi, Nightlion,

I know you adhere to JSJr.

Which if any of these:

Brigham Young
John Taylor
Wilford Woodruff
Lorenzo Snow
Joseph F Smith
Heber J Grant
George Albert Smith
David O McKay
Joseph Fielding Smith
Harold B Lee
Spencer W Kimball
Ezra Taft Bension
Howard W Hunter
Gordon B Hinckley
Thomas S Monson

I interested to know when you think that the COJCOLDS apostatized?

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is both apostate and yet never apostatized as they never were a Zion to begin with. They always were a fallen and misbegotten bunch who had the right and power and knowledge for a season but would not put it together. The sycophants kept it running after a fashion but lusted for the wonders of the world and its learning and money making machinations. Zion weeps.

A man can be a true saint and fail as a prophet or apostle. I put the first five after Joseph Smith in that category. And as Liz pointed out, I think by her link, Lorenzo was a fallen saint and son of perdition, a traitor who betrayed Joseph Smith to his death.

Everyone from Grant on is a spiritual tragedy, travesty and clown. I hold forth by my suddenly thrust forward hands showing twin signs (thumbs extended) meet for their abominations. These all have willfully sinned against the gospel and allowed Satan to rule in their hearts in great pride.

In fact I put Joseph Smith in the failed column for not realizing a true Zion. He failed to teach the gospel adamantly. Never threw off completely the Protestant culture. Though he lived to regret it as he himself declared that he would have a reformation and cleanse the Church. And so he died.

The virtue of the restoration kept its vitality hidden, as it were, in the wilderness of obscurity and darkness that Christ could do his own work of it.

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Yes, liz and harmony I believe the revelation of D&C 132 as true. What the recreational Mormons failed to realize is that all temple rites are ONLY for the sanctified. Hell, I have lived 60 years upon this earth and have yet to find a sanctified woman who could be rightly sealed.
That's where the entire Brigham and friends polygamy got comical and absurd and led on by tares in high places so as to never be corrected in their gross errors. We be gods in embryo they wrongly supposed.

Would you put your wife through the conception of 20 billion kids of the exalted seed variety or get her lots of help? You should look up my spermatorium spa concept, only a theory mind you. I do not remember where I just wrote about it. Women will conceive like catching a virus.
And now I am thinking of spirit offspring as tadpoles swimming about in the atmosphere as they grow and not gestating inside the belly of their mothers. hmmm? I know I think too much. But there's got to be a better way, 20 billion? You want to be a REAL mother? Get thee to the Garden.

[_sock puppet]

Nightlion,

I have the impression that the gospel you preach is more along the lines of the Book of Mormon/New Testament early Mormonism (pre-Nauvoo), and less the BoAbr/D&C version developed to a large extent in Nauvoo and then perpetrated by Brother Brigham's faction that ended up headquartered in SLC.

How would you describe the gospel you preach versus that of the COJCOLDS.

[_Nightlion]

Nightlion,

I have the impression that the gospel you preach is more along the lines of the Book of Mormon/New Testament early Mormonism (pre-Nauvoo), and less the BoAbr/D&C version developed to a large extent in Nauvoo and then perpetrated by Brother Brigham's faction that ended up headquartered in Salt Lake City.

How would you describe the gospel you preach versus that of the COJCOLDS.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the REAL COLD STEEL DEAL wherein a new man is forged in fire and the very power of the living God. Nothing more or less.

Theirs is becoming more and more a powder puff of perfumery. It stinks of high pride and secret mischief. They never did have any real apostles who would see to it that Christ was served. A true apostle is a foundry worker that attends to the bellows mostly......preaching the right way.

So they continue to serve themselves, the Church, by preferring one another and being preferred. Yuck. THEE LIFT ME AND I LIFT THEE AND WE SHALL BOTH ASCEND TOGETHER some famous quote of somebody. Where is Christ in that? But that is them.

[_sock puppet]

Nightlion,

I have the impression that the gospel you preach is more along the lines of the Book of Mormon/New Testament early Mormonism (pre-Nauvoo), and less the BoAbr/D&C version developed to a large extent in Nauvoo and then perpetrated by Brother Brigham's faction that ended up headquartered in Salt Lake City.

How would you describe the gospel you preach versus that of the COJCOLDS.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the REAL COLD STEEL DEAL wherein a new man is forged in fire and the very power of the living God. Nothing more or less.

Theirs is becoming more and more a powder puff of perfumery. It stinks of high pride and secret mischief. They never did have any real apostles who would see to it that Christ was served. A true apostle is a foundry worker that attends to the bellows mostly......preaching the right way.

So they continue to serve themselves, the Church, by preferring one another and being preferred. Yuck. THEE LIFT ME AND I LIFT THEE AND WE SHALL BOTH ASCEND TOGETHER some famous quote of somebody. Where is Christ in that? But that is them.

Nightlion,

Another way I might describe the gospel that you preach is:
1-Each follower needs a true baptism of fire by the Spirit, to be truly born again, and humbly realize that he or she is saved by Jesus and not by what the follower does, and
2-Zion has never been established.

Do you think JSJr was born again? Was he a fallen prophet by the time of his murder?

What specific, concrete characteristics would a true Zion have?