My Wife's Take on the New Mormon Media Blitz

[_Cardinal Biggles]

I posted the video. I am sure that it is the one the home teachers referred to. The black woman in video, is young, unmarried and working. Nothing wrong with that.

And in the videos I posted, married women with children are being showcased working outside the home. The video that was actually referenced in consiglieri's OP may not be one of the culprits, but it's definitely being done in other videos. The complaint is valid.

Yes, the complaint is valid. The video showing Mia Love (http://Mormon.org/me/1N1Q/) indicates that she is the mother of three young children and A MAYOR. Looks like she might have something to do with an exercise class also--was she the instructor?

Is the COJCOLDS now taking the position that it's OK for a mother to work outside the home (i.e., as a mayor)? That hardly seems consistent with ETB's unequivocal 1987 "To the Mothers in Zion" speech.

[_Darth J]

What is most impressive about your incisive reasoning and inescapable logic is how anyone who says something you don't like is "pouting" or "whining."

Just be quiet and let the grown-ups talk, Stemelbow.

Oh no, DJ, you've clearly misread me. I don't say just anyone is a whiner or a pouter. I do say that about you. Your teasing in this thread is nothing but mean-spirited. I wouldn't say that's whining or pouting. But that doesn't suggest you don't go about whining and pouting regularly. You do. I see it.

Now have a good afternoon. I'm outta here.

"Purple dreams manipulate Euclidean geometry apropos of the inverse totality of polymorphous axioms."

See that sentence right there? I was talking about buying stuff at the grocery store. If you didn't get that message, then you clearly misread me.

[_MsJack]

Yes, the complaint is valid. The video showing Mia Love (http://Mormon.org/me/1N1Q/) indicates that she is the mother of three young children and A MAYOR. Looks like she might have something to do with an exercise class also--was she the instructor?

She's the instructor for a tread mill class. I don't think that's a huge deal; that could just be one night a week for a two hour block or something.

But "mayor of a town of 30,000" hardly strikes me as something that a full-time homemaker would find time to do, and the video shows her at her job dressed in nice business skirt suits. The video also makes it clear that she's married with three young children at home.

Is the COJCOLDS now taking the position that it's OK for a mother to work outside the home (i.e., as a mayor)?

Not according to chapter 9 of the Relief Society manual that was just released last month, which I supplied a link to earlier in this thread.

[_just me]

We still have the Proc.

By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. In these sacred responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners. Disability, death, or other circumstances may necessitate individual adaptation.

It seems to be saying that fathers are the financial provider and mothers are the childcare provider. UNLESS some sort of drastic circumstance make is necessary to do things a little differently.

But, hey, if a woman thinks that means that God wants her to be a SAHM she needs a reality check.

[_Cardinal Biggles]

ETB said, in 1987:

Again President Kimball speaks: "The husband is expected to support his family and only in an emergency should a wife secure outside employment. Her place is in the home, to build the home into a haven of delight.

"Numerous divorces can be traced directly to the day when the wife left the home and went out into the world into employment. Two incomes raise the standard of living beyond its norm. Two spouses working prevent the complete and proper home life, break into the family prayers, create an independence which is not cooperative, causes distortion, limits the family, and frustrates the children already born" (Spencer W. Kimball, San Antonio Fireside, Dec. 3, 1977, pp. 9-10 ).

To the TBMs, I ask: Was ETB mistaken when he said this? Would he not have said that Mia Love's marriage is more at risk for divorce because she works as a mayor? Would he not have said that Mia Love's employment as mayor raises her household's standard of living above the norm (for whatever reason that is a bad thing)? Would he not have said that Mia Love's employment as mayor creates an independence which is not cooperative?

Now, you may argue that ETB was merely "suggesting" (and not "commanding") that mothers of young children not work outside the home. If this is the case, though, do you concede that his suggestion was a weak one? And if it was a good suggestion, that ought to be followed today, isn't the COJCOLDS erring in producing videos that seem to celebrate a lifestyle that operates in defiance of this suggestion?

[_Darth J]

We still have the Proc.

By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. In these sacred responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners. Disability, death, or other circumstances may necessitate individual adaptation.

It seems to be saying that fathers are the financial provider and mothers are the childcare provider. UNLESS some sort of drastic circumstance make is necessary to do things a little differently.

But, hey, if a woman thinks that means that God wants her to be a SAHM she needs a reality check.

Oh, look: the baby-making machine has had an opinion come out of her pretty little head.

Shut up and get back in the kitchen, Just Me.

[_consiglieri]

Regardless of who asked her to stay home and raise the children, does she feel as though she made the right decision by staying home and raising children?

Thanks for bringing it up again, Scottie, because I did miss it.

My wife's position was a bit unusual.

Her first husband having died, she had to work to support her two children and herself because her family would not help out. (Why is another story, and probably beyond my ability to explain.)

So for a number of years, she was a working mother who taught birth classes during the evenings, and cared for her children the rest of the time.

She worked hard and became respected in her field and rose up the ladder.

So the deal with her is that she had worked as a single mom and knew she could make it work; she enjoyed working and the esteem it brought her and the ability to work with other people; co-workers as well as class members. (Doctors not so much.)

But then we got married and she stopped working in order to stay at home with her two children as well as mine who visited frequently. About sixteen months later, we had one of our own.

I don't know if this background is helpful to understanding her position.

She doesn't feel she made the right decision to stay at home and take care of the kids because she had already proven herself completely capabable of working outside the home and still taking care of the kids.

Just not in the way the Church would have had her do once she became married to me.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_West]

What about the brand new Basic Manual for Women?

Lesson 28: Developing Employment Skills

http://LDS.org/manual/the-latter-day-sa ... s?lang=eng

Sometimes Women Must Be Employed
In many families a father or husband works to provide for the family’s needs. However, this is not always the case. Women must also be prepared to provide support. Many women work to support themselves, and still others work to support themselves and their families.

• What are some reasons a woman must work? Write the responses on the chalkboard and discuss them. Be sure to include the following ideas:
Her husband or father is dead.

Her husband or father is disabled through illness or accident.

She is single and must support herself.

The family’s basic needs are not being met with one income.

Unexpected illness or other hardship creates a need for extra income.

Why? Because the church loves a uterus as long as it isn't a money pit. Young widows with kids are great for Monson rescue stories but bad for the bottom line.

I don't see "Some women really enjoy working outside the home, do an awesome job, make tons of money, and have even better relationships with their kids because they aren't on antidepressants." anywhere on that list. "Sometimes women must be employed" seems so reluctant- with a hint of disdain- like a nasty task that, while sometimes necessary, is best not discussed in polite company.

Here are the nifty employment suggestions:

Earning Money at Home
• Display visuals 28-b, “A woman earning money at home by cutting hair”; and 28-d, “Homemade baked goods may be sold.”
Many women have found ways to use their talents and interests to earn money at home. This is especially helpful when a mother with small children must work. Here are some ways that women have earned money at home:

1. Sewing children’s clothing, draperies, wedding gowns, uniforms, household items, stuffed animals, dolls, or doll clothing
2. Embroidering, knitting, quilting, crocheting, doing crewel work, making or arranging flowers, making jewelry, doing silversmith work, or making leis
3. Decorating cakes; making tortillas, wedding cakes, bread, cookies, candy, or pies; or packing school lunches
4. Caring for children in the home or teaching a nursery school at home
5. Gardening and selling produce. Fresh home-grown produce is always in demand and sells well. Some women who live in farming communities make jams and jellies from local fruit. They sell them at roadside stands or in stores.
6. Teaching music, dance, or art
7. Providing day care for the elderly
8. Tutoring students
9. Writing for the newspaper
10. Typing or bookkeeping
11. Selling by telephone
12. Acting as a rental agent for apartment owners
13. Boarding someone in their home
14. Providing foster care for handicapped children
15. Grooming or caring for animals
16. Styling or cutting hair

You could work yourself to death doing any one (or more) of these jobs and have very little money to show for it after tithing, the cost of Prozac, and health insurance for the self-employed.

[_cafe crema]

Yes, why me. We all wait with bated breath to learn why it was not acceptable for Mrs. Consig to speak up in her own home about something that she didn't like verses not acceptable for me to remain silent in church about something I didn't like.

It wasn't a case of speaking up. It was the reaction to what the home teacher said about the video. She jumped to conclusions and made it extremely personal. The video had nothing to do with a mom who was working. In fact, it was a nice video showing a happy Mormon who loves life and her work and her own mom. And that was my point: she over reacted and made it personal.

What was the home teacher to do?

Where was it proved that the video had nothing to do with a mom who was working?

[_cafe crema]

Consigs wife was expressing more than her reaction to the video.

Of course she was.

But it seems a waste of time to try to get you to see things from her perspective.

You seem to have no trouble seeing things from the Catholic point of view, but when it comes to anybody who lodges valid criticisms against the Mormon Church, you will go to any extreme to invalidate their feelings and support the corporate body.

My brain is a company brain,
The company washed it
And now I can't complain.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

He has thousands of posts showing he can't in anyway see things from a Catholic point of view.