ScienceWhopper:Natural History According to Jeffrey Holland

[_jon]

I have argued that science is not much different than religion in the sense that the foundations of science rest on some observations and not an understanding as to why we have this reality. So to me it is a choice as to where one wishes to place their faith.

You had us at 'erosion theory...'

[_SteelHead]

How do you know you are in contact with the Holy Ghost vs some internal source vs being delusional?

Christianity is the largest of the major religions currently but Islam is growing at a tremendous rate while Christianity is declining. Does this mean it is being replaced by something better? Basing the validity of a religion on the number of adherents is foolishness.

[_Franktalk]

How do you know you are in contact with the Holy Ghost vs some internal source vs being delusional?

Christianity is the largest of the major religions currently but Islam is growing at a tremendous rate while Christianity is declining. Does this mean it is being replaced by something better? Basing the validity of a religion on the number of adherents is foolishness.

The great falling away is predicted in scripture. There are spiritual powers which are holding the world in balance. As that power is removed the world will be a bad place to be. The elect will remain faithful but many will fall away from faith.

As to me being delusional it would be pretty odd to be delusional in only this one thing and not others. I guess you could say that most people on the planet are delusional but if that is true then you are in deep trouble.

[_DrW]

As to me being delusional it would be pretty odd to be delusional in only this one thing and not others. I guess you could say that most people on the planet are delusional but if that is true then you are in deep trouble.

Upper Paleolithic humans (no later than 30,000 years ago) were religious in that they engaged in ritual, animism, mythology and (most importantly) magical thinking, just as you do today.

What distinguishes religious behaviors in people who were living in 30,000 years ago from those practiced by you today?

[_Molok]

The great falling away is predicted in scripture. There are spiritual powers which are holding the world in balance. As that power is removed the world will be a bad place to be. The elect will remain faithful but many will fall away from faith.

Hey, I liked Steven King's Dark Tower series too, but I don't think it's real.

[_Buffalo]

As to me being delusional it would be pretty odd to be delusional in only this one thing and not others. I guess you could say that most people on the planet are delusional but if that is true then you are in deep trouble.

Upper Paleolithic humans (no later than 30,000 years ago) were religious in that they engaged in ritual, animism, mythology and (most importantly) magical thinking, just as you do today.

What distinguishes religious behaviors in people who were living in 30,000 years ago from those practiced by you today?

And everybody likes to think that we started out with their version of god. But the gods and spirits people worshiped 30,000 years ago were not the gods worshiped 3000 years ago. Yahweh/El/Jesus are very recent gods, comparatively.

[_SteelHead]

How do you know you are in contact with the Holy Ghost vs some internal source vs being delusional?

Christianity is the largest of the major religions currently but Islam is growing at a tremendous rate while Christianity is declining. Does this mean it is being replaced by something better? Basing the validity of a religion on the number of adherents is foolishness.

The great falling away is predicted in scripture. There are spiritual powers which are holding the world in balance. As that power is removed the world will be a bad place to be. The elect will remain faithful but many will fall away from faith.

As to me being delusional it would be pretty odd to be delusional in only this one thing and not others. I guess you could say that most people on the planet are delusional but if that is true then you are in deep trouble.

So you are not delusional but 1.2 billion Muslins are either misled by the wiles of the evil one or delusional. Gotcha. I will just stick to my hypothesis that you are all just simply wrong. Until I have decent evidence otherwise.

[_DrW]

As to me being delusional it would be pretty odd to be delusional in only this one thing and not others. I guess you could say that most people on the planet are delusional but if that is true then you are in deep trouble.

Upper Paleolithic humans (no later than 30,000 years ago) were religious in that they engaged in ritual, animism, mythology and (most importantly) magical thinking, just as you do today.

What distinguishes religious behaviors in people who were living in 30,000 years ago from those practiced by you today?

And everybody likes to think that we started out with their version of god. But the gods and spirits people worshiped 30,000 years ago were not the gods worshiped 3000 years ago. Yahweh/El/Jesus are very recent gods, comparatively.

Absolutely right.

So the questions for Franktalk is: if the paleolithic worship of animals was delusional 30,000 years ago, and if neolithic worship of the sun was delusional 6,000 years ago, when did religious beliefs (as in the current Christian and Islamic worship of an imaginary friend) stop being delusional?

Is the correct response 3,000 years ago, 2,000 years ago, 180 years ago, or "not yet"?

[_Franktalk]

Absolutely right.

So the questions for Franktalk is: if the paleolithic worship of animals was delusional 30,000 years ago, and if neolithic worship of the sun was delusional 6,000 years ago, when did religious beliefs (as in the current Christian and Islamic worship of an imaginary friend) stop being delusional?

Is the correct response 3,000 years ago, 2,000 years ago, 180 years ago, or "not yet"?

We have animal worship today. We have worship of the creation in many forms. In that things have not changed. Your assumption that the history of man is what you think it is will not allow us to come to any common ground.

[_Morley]

What has mainstream science done to suppress Davison? (Ignoring him is not suppressing him.)

Here is an interesting discussion about the manifesto. In it you can read about how mainstream science treats a valid idea.

http://www.iscid.org/boards/ubb-get_top ... 00370.html

1) This isn't an example of mainstream science suppressing an idea, it's an example of a discussion on an internet message board.

2) Even in this example, there's no suppression. Suppression of an idea doesn't involve free and open discussion of said idea, published for all to see.