The Science of Lust

[_cinepro]

On another issue, notice the experiment they do with men and women watching porn. Both react the same way physically but most of the women were reporting they did not like it as they watched the movie, even though their bodies did.

If you want to find out all about all the different (and interesting) sex experiments that have been done over the years, check out the book "Bonk". It has some pretty interesting (and disturbing) stuff.

http://www.amazon.com/Bonk-Curious-Coup ... 237&sr=8-1

[_Lucretia MacEvil]

On another issue, notice the experiment they do with men and women watching porn. Both react the same way physically but most of the women were reporting they did not like it as they watched the movie, even though their bodies did.

One wonders if society has taught women that such stimuli are evil so therefore they consciously report they do not like it, but in reality they react the same way men do. So maybe we should not fault leaders in the church for making porn a male issue since the women of their generation would have expressed horror at any erotic images; yet one could speculate their grand-daughters have no such cognitive dissonance.

Maybe women are influenced by more than just automatic bodily reactions. Maybe they don't like the bad acting, cheap production values, lack of character development, lack of emotional or intellectual stimulation ...

Women, being more nuanced creations than men, often feel conflicted when confronted by something like porn.

[_Fiannan]

Maybe women are influenced by more than just automatic bodily reactions. Maybe they don't like the bad acting, cheap production values, lack of character development, lack of emotional or intellectual stimulation ...

Women, being more nuanced creations than men, often feel conflicted when confronted by something like porn.

Perhaps, but the mind and body can be in conflict with each other. I suppose you could put bacon in front of a hungry Islamic fundamentalist and he might find it disgusting, but I will bet his digestive system will be analyzing the stimulus and is getting ready to eat the food. Of course the reason he feels the way he does about the pig meat is due to his upbringing, not his biology.

I think the same is true of women and porn. A woman raised in a more modern home would probably look at pornographic images and find them arousing, both psychologically and physically, but one from a very traditional upbringing will only get turned on physically. This cognitive dissonance may be the reason some Mormon women freak out about porn -- the conflict generated by knowing males look at this stuff might cause her more sub conscious resentment than disgust. Add to this her expectation that the man is supposed to protect her and the family from such influences and you have the perfect recipe for disaster if the guy is caught viewing it.

[_Some Schmo]

Maybe women are influenced by more than just automatic bodily reactions. Maybe they don't like the bad acting, cheap production values, lack of character development, lack of emotional or intellectual stimulation ...

Women, being more nuanced creations than men, often feel conflicted when confronted by something like porn.

More nuanced creations than men?! Well that's just ridiculous, and I resent...

*accidently brushes groin with elbow reaching for computer mouse...*

(30 minutes later)

What were we talking about? Oh yeah, man I love women. No doubt about it.

[_Yoda]

Maybe women are influenced by more than just automatic bodily reactions. Maybe they don't like the bad acting, cheap production values, lack of character development, lack of emotional or intellectual stimulation ...

Women, being more nuanced creations than men, often feel conflicted when confronted by something like porn.

More nuanced creations than men?! Well that's just ridiculous, and I resent...

*accidently brushes groin with elbow reaching for computer mouse...*

(30 minutes later)

What were we talking about? Oh yeah, man I love women. No doubt about it.

ROTFLMAO!!

I love you, Schmo!

As far as the topic goes...Lucretia has a point. I think that women are much more aroused by written erotica, like the kind found in romance novels. Women respond more to what is in the imagination, and the entire fantasy experience, rather than just the physical sex act.

[_sock puppet]

On another issue, notice the experiment they do with men and women watching porn. Both react the same way physically but most of the women were reporting they did not like it as they watched the movie, even though their bodies did.

One wonders if society has taught women that such stimuli are evil so therefore they consciously report they do not like it, but in reality they react the same way men do. So maybe we should not fault leaders in the church for making porn a male issue since the women of their generation would have expressed horror at any erotic images; yet one could speculate their grand-daughters have no such cognitive dissonance.

Maybe women are influenced by more than just automatic bodily reactions. Maybe they don't like the bad acting, cheap production values, lack of character development, lack of emotional or intellectual stimulation ...

Women, being more nuanced creations than men, often feel conflicted when confronted by something like porn.

Or it could be looked at these ways--

Males understand their own bodies and physiology better than women, that is, men are more in touch with their feelings (albeit sexual) than women.

Men are in less denial than women about what arouses them and when aroused, that is, men are more honest with themselves and others about what is going on with their bodies.

I understand it is not PC to extol any virtue that a male might possess over female counterparts, but there it is. Ladies, your gender has something to work on vis-a-vis male counterparts.

[Guest]

Maybe women are influenced by more than just automatic bodily reactions. Maybe they don't like the bad acting, cheap production values, lack of character development, lack of emotional or intellectual stimulation ...

Women, being more nuanced creations than men, often feel conflicted when confronted by something like porn.

More nuanced creations than men?! Well that's just ridiculous, and I resent...

*accidently brushes groin with elbow reaching for computer mouse...*

(30 minutes later)

What were we talking about? Oh yeah, man I love women. No doubt about it.

ROTFLMAO!!

I love you, Schmo!

As far as the topic goes...Lucretia has a point. I think that women are much more aroused by written erotica, like the kind found in romance novels. Women respond more to what is in the imagination, and the entire fantasy experience, rather than just the physical sex act.

Or could it be that through social conditioning from birth, females in 'civilized' societies are taught to act abhorred by sexual images that arouse their bodies?

Males, particularly of the not gentile type, have long since shucked off such pretenses.

[_Fiannan]

As far as the topic goes...Lucretia has a point. I think that women are much more aroused by written erotica, like the kind found in romance novels. Women respond more to what is in the imagination, and the entire fantasy experience, rather than just the physical sex act.

Well, then why is the fastest growing market segment for porn that of women under 30 years of age? Sure, women may like the kind of porn that shows a man and woman, or woman and woman, having a romantic dinner, talking and then going at it once they return to the apartment, but they do like visual sex. I have noticed that women I have talked to have said they don't like it extremely explicit, for instance I know one heterosexual woman who once told me the most erotic image in her opinion was a woman "going down" on another woman, but not with any gynecological close-ups. Some feminists I have talked to have said that if a scene looks real and natural (no bleach blondes with high heels) then they totally approve of porn.

It is a myth that sex scenes do nothing for a woman but the written word does.

[_Yoda]

As far as the topic goes...Lucretia has a point. I think that women are much more aroused by written erotica, like the kind found in romance novels. Women respond more to what is in the imagination, and the entire fantasy experience, rather than just the physical sex act.

Well, then why is the fastest growing market segment for porn that of women under 30 years of age? Sure, women may like the kind of porn that shows a man and woman, or woman and woman, having a romantic dinner, talking and then going at it once they return to the apartment, but they do like visual sex. I have noticed that women I have talked to have said they don't like it extremely explicit, for instance I know one heterosexual woman who once told me the most erotic image in her opinion was a woman "going down" on another woman, but not with any gynecological close-ups. Some feminists I have talked to have said that if a scene looks real and natural (no bleach blondes with high heels) then they totally approve of porn.

It is a myth that sex scenes do nothing for a woman but the written word does.

You misunderstood what I was saying. I never said that sex scenes do nothing for women. All I said was that women do tend to respond to the element of imagination and written fantasy, and that because of this, written erotica is a preferred medium for many women.

[_just me]

You misunderstood what I was saying. I never said that sex scenes do nothing for women. All I said was that women do tend to respond to the element of imagination and written fantasy, and that because of this, written erotica is a preferred medium for many women.

I agree with this. Even beyond this, women really do become sexually aroused from a slightly different variation of stimuli than men. I do believe most men are far more visual than most women. Neither is right or wrong, just different.

There are differences that go beyond nurture, for certain. We have some biological differences that we can't just pretend don't exist.

Sock said:

Males understand their own bodies and physiology better than women, that is, men are more in touch with their feelings (albeit sexual) than women.

Men are in less denial than women about what arouses them and when aroused, that is, men are more honest with themselves and others about what is going on with their bodies.

I understand it is not PC to extol any virtue that a male might possess over female counterparts, but there it is. Ladies, your gender has something to work on vis-à-vis male counterparts.

I think there are several aspects to this. It seems to me that men understand what arouses them easier because it is so very visual. Perhaps it is easier to connect the dots.
Another problem is that women in lots of ways are taught that they are the gatekeeper. They are taught to protect their virtue from the male. "Boys only want one thing" and all that. Clearly this doesn't effect all females, but it does effect some. I think this can result in supressing ones sexuality and make it hard to get aroused, let alone know what is arousing.
Sex education really only explains the mechanics of baby making and how to avoid STD's. It really does a piss poor job of explaining sexuality and relations. Since most parents were never taught they don't know and can't pass information along to their own children.

I will say that I don't believe a lot of sexless women even know why they don't want to have sex with their partner and their partner is just as clueless. So, yes, I think that there could be better education for all the sexes on male and female sexuality.