Does the "no afterlife" ever scare you?

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Re: Does the "no afterlife" ever scare you?

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quark wrote:
just me wrote:To be honest the thought of eternal life made me cry myself to sleep...

If you don't mind, can you say why?


Well, I was a child. I would imagine this vast expanse of foreverness and it freaked me out. I did not find the idea of being alive for eternity comforting at all. I couldn't imagine no ending. Eventually I just kinda shelved it or figured it would be okay somehow and stopped dwelling on it.
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Nightlion wrote:
Peace my son. I once spent three days with one foot in the afterlife from day 23 -25 of epic Biblical, miraculous fasting. Went on to day 43 by the way. The afterlife is real and wonderful. The warmth of God's loving embrace permeates throughout. That is what Alma meant by everyone who dies returns to God. Not into his very personal presence but into enveloping arms of his love. It shines constantly like the warm lights of home. During those days of my fast it beckoned. I am a living witness, I so testify.


Oh please, I've had the same crap happen to me when I did one to many lines of K on a weekend binge. And not only have I experienced a k hole, I've been through an ego loss after poping shrooms. Starving yourself into hallucinations is no different than me in a ball tripping experience losing myself and melting into the very fabric of the universe.
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See point #3 here.
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thews wrote:
Nightlion wrote:Peace my son. I once spent three days with one foot in the afterlife from day 23 -25 of epic Biblical, miraculous fasting.

This is BS... a failed attempt at religious suicide is a manufactured ruse.

To the OP... no... fear is an exercise in futility.


Thought you believed the Bible. Elijah went in the strength of his last meal forty days and nights on Mount Horeb written in 1 Kings chapter 19.

Moses was on the mount forty days and nights presumably fasting all the while. Recorded in Exodus 24.

And of course Jesus fasted for forty days in the wilderness being tempted of the devil.

It was nothing to do with suicide. I needed power to overcome the oppression that was all around me. It succeeded well in that regard plus I got a manifestation of the reality of the after life that continued uninterrupted for three days.

I have related the story before more than once. After three days time working full time each day at a job that required I walk a warehouse picking orders that amounted to about 5-8 miles per day, I sat in my Chevy Astro Van in my own driveway about to leave when suddenly all my strength drained from me. I was given great strength of God for 25 days of hard labor and fasting then the afterlife beckoned and so the Lord noticed my awareness of the afterlife and then demonstrated how much power he had put upon me to keep me alive by allowing it all to withdraw, leaving me at deaths door. I was asked if I wanted to die or to continue to live. I chose to live. Immediately all power was restored as if I lit up and awakened to full life and vigor. The awareness of the afterlife was gone, never to return to me. I kept that fast until I completed 43 days.

I had power and strength to return to a job that was taken from me and win back a career that greatly blessed my wife and my children who were beginning to enter their teenage years. I had just before lost a meager job and was only working as a temp or skilled laborer. This was only 12 years ago. And I am 60 years old. I got a certain knowledge that God is able to do all things and the reality of the afterlife in the bargain.

You can ask my wife and children if you want their witness. Or the co-workers who saw the power upon me daily and dared not speak a word to me. But I have no idea who they were. I was in the strength of the Lord, fasting to overcome the world.

I suspect that I do know what the Lord did but it was miraculous all the same.
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No afterlife is like a variation on Pascal's wager. If it's false then we will be forever grateful. If it is true then we will be none the wise.
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WheatThins wrote:
Nightlion wrote:
Peace my son. I once spent three days with one foot in the afterlife from day 23 -25 of epic Biblical, miraculous fasting. Went on to day 43 by the way. The afterlife is real and wonderful. The warmth of God's loving embrace permeates throughout. That is what Alma meant by everyone who dies returns to God. Not into his very personal presence but into enveloping arms of his love. It shines constantly like the warm lights of home. During those days of my fast it beckoned. I am a living witness, I so testify.


Oh please, I've had the same s*** happen to me when I did one to many lines of K on a weekend binge. And not only have I experienced a k hole, I've been through an ego loss after poping shrooms. Starving yourself into hallucinations is no different than me in a ball tripping experience losing myself and melting into the very fabric of the universe.


Ah huh? Right! How do you reckon my Chevy Van ordeal was some kind of hallucination? Plus I carried the power I gained to sustain me in conquering my oppressions in the real world, in real time, with real people, and real consequences, and a major triumph, months after I was eating normal again.

The residual continues with to this day. Meh heh heh!
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quark wrote:When I sit down and get totally serious about where I stand on religion and whatnot, I realize deep down there is no spirit, no god, and no afterlife. You peel off the layers of my imaginations and hopes and all you get is biology, chemistry, and physics.

It's true there is much to bring me joy in this life without belief in the invisible. But sometimes I think about death in a way I never have before and to be completely honest with you, it kind of scares me. I think about what it would be like to vanish from thought into nothing. It's possible this is worse than darkness because in the dark you at least have scary monsters to get accustomed to. I would eventually make friends with them because after all, eternity is a long time.

Sometimes, the thought crosses my mind, "Just choose to believe in it and your fear will vanish." it seems like a good reason to believe! But then, I could do the same thing with the housing market. "I believe the economy will turn around in a year and we won't be like Japan." But this just won't do! I can't believe my way through life. Truth sucks!

Anyone else think this way?


I have moments like this.
But the outcome is usually to drive me on the get the most out of every minute with family and friends. Because there is no second chance, whilst a bit scary, it helps me make best of this chance in life.
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I fear it no more than the transition of consciousness to sleeping unconsciousness. The only difference is that I'll get a really good night's sleep for once.

I do ant to live a long time, however. Life is pretty cool, for the most part. I want to see how my daughter turns out as an adult, maybe enjoy some grand kids, see how much more wealth and toys I can accumulate for the hell of it... you know: live life. I'd like it to last.

But no, death is part of life. Trillions of other animals have done it before me. It's not a big deal.
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quark wrote:When I sit down and get totally serious about where I stand on religion and whatnot, I realize deep down there is no spirit, no god, and no afterlife. You peel off the layers of my imaginations and hopes and all you get is biology, chemistry, and physics.

It's true there is much to bring me joy in this life without belief in the invisible. But sometimes I think about death in a way I never have before and to be completely honest with you, it kind of scares me. I think about what it would be like to vanish from thought into nothing. It's possible this is worse than darkness because in the dark you at least have scary monsters to get accustomed to. I would eventually make friends with them because after all, eternity is a long time.

Sometimes, the thought crosses my mind, "Just choose to believe in it and your fear will vanish." it seems like a good reason to believe! But then, I could do the same thing with the housing market. "I believe the economy will turn around in a year and we won't be like Japan." But this just won't do! I can't believe my way through life. Truth sucks!

Anyone else think this way?

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Good to see the faith community weighing in on this.
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