a five+ year crusade of character assassination

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sock puppet wrote:I do not think Darth J deflecting the thread topic. He was illustrating that attacking a pseudonym is tantamount to attacking the individual (or organization) that uses that pseudonym. Simon's distinction is not a useful one, unless you just want DCP to be able to lob insults at Dr Scratch but not allow Dr Scratch to lob at DCP. That is Simon's apparent motive, and so it is a distinction for him. However, for those that do not see the need for a one-way only lob-fest, it is a faulty distinction, and Darth J's analogy is not only a good fit, it points up the fallacy in Simon's distinction.


Im cool with agreeing to disagree on this minor little point.
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Simon Belmont wrote:You'd have to ask him. He said it was his son's, and we should believe him.


We should?

D. Peterson wrote:Over at a particularly virulent anti-Mormon message board just now, some of the zealots are trying to gin up a campaign to flood this entry with negative reviews. I don't know whether they'll actually get their act together enough to do that, but they inspired me to drop in and post a comment.

I've lived and traveled in the Near East, and have traveled fairly extensively in Mesoamerica, and I have a Ph.D. in Near Eastern languages and cultures. My professional occupation is studying, translating, and commenting upon ancient and medieval texts, as well as editing such texts for publication.

That doesn't, of course, prove that my judgment is infallible. But,…


Is his son also a Ph.D. in Near Eastern languages and cultures?
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Simon Belmont wrote:The Adventures of a young DCP in Israel
http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/vie ... =1&t=11374

Simon, that's for linking to that long-forgotten thread. In it, I found this link:
http://jerusalem.nielsonpi.com/OurGroup ... 03.074.jpg
I remember looking there two years ago, when that thread was fresh.

In 1978, If I recall correctly, BYU did not allow for mustaches. Maybe my memory is faulty. Had the no-mustache rule vanished by then? Was there an exception for study abroad students? Was there an exception for DCP only?
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stemelbow wrote:
sock puppet wrote:I do not think Darth J deflecting the thread topic. He was illustrating that attacking a pseudonym is tantamount to attacking the individual (or organization) that uses that pseudonym. Simon's distinction is not a useful one, unless you just want DCP to be able to lob insults at Dr Scratch but not allow Dr Scratch to lob at DCP. That is Simon's apparent motive, and so it is a distinction for him. However, for those that do not see the need for a one-way only lob-fest, it is a faulty distinction, and Darth J's analogy is not only a good fit, it points up the fallacy in Simon's distinction.


I'm cool with agreeing to disagree on this minor little point.

okay. I do have to mention I find it odd that those the believe in Jesus, the man who spoke in parables, to claim distracting when others use analogies too? Was Jesus distracting from the topic at hand when he spoke in parables?
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Where'd Liz go? Is she just going to level a series of false accusations and then bail out of the thread?
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sock puppet wrote:okay. I do have to mention I find it odd that those the believe in Jesus, the man who spoke in parables, to claim distracting when others use analogies too? Was Jesus distracting from the topic at hand when he spoke in parables?


"Okay", says SP, "I'll agree to disagree, but I want to continue harping on it anyway...blah blah blah..."

I don't mind speaking in parables at all. I just found his post a deflection, It appears he wanted not to discuss whether DCP is justified in his complaints about Scratch or if Scratch's vendetta on DCP is reasonable. Nah...it appears he just wanted to complain about the Church again.
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Doctor Scratch wrote:
Is his son also a Ph.D. in Near Eastern languages and cultures?


He might be. Why do you ask? Why does it matter? It's perfectly reasonable to assume that, while the account might be DCP's, the wishlist (the one you linked to and mocked) was his son's.

So, as you can see, two of the three accusations were, in fact, completely true.

The third has truth to it, though you never specifically said that DCP is an anti-semite, you've hinted at it over the years:

Scratch wrote:This is despicable. It's as if these BYU youths were thinking to themselvs, "Ha ha ha! Let's make fun of sacred Jewish rituals!"


So, when you stated that none were true, were you simply lying? Or had you forgotten?
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stemelbow wrote:
sock puppet wrote:okay. I do have to mention I find it odd that those the believe in Jesus, the man who spoke in parables, to claim distracting when others use analogies too? Was Jesus distracting from the topic at hand when he spoke in parables?


"Okay", says SP, "I'll agree to disagree, but I want to continue harping on it anyway...blah blah blah..."

I don't mind speaking in parables at all. I just found his post a deflection, It appears he wanted not to discuss whether DCP is justified in his complaints about Scratch or if Scratch's vendetta on DCP is reasonable. Nah...it appears he just wanted to complain about the Church again.

So do you find it distracting of Jesus to have used parables?
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sock puppet wrote:So do you find it distracting of Jesus to have used parables?


1. no
2. Jesus wasn't on message boards commeting on threads designed to discuss certain topics.
3. This is deflection.

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Simon Belmont wrote:
Doctor Scratch wrote:
Is his son also a Ph.D. in Near Eastern languages and cultures?


He might be. Why do you ask? Why does it matter? It's perfectly reasonable to assume that, while the account might be DCP's, the wishlist (the one you linked to and mocked) was his son's.

So, as you can see, two of the three accusations were, in fact, completely true.

The third has truth to it, though you never specifically said that DCP is an anti-semite, you've hinted at it over the years:

Scratch wrote:This is despicable. It's as if these BYU youths were thinking to themselvs, "Ha ha ha! Let's make fun of sacred Jewish rituals!"


So, when you stated that none were true, were you simply lying? Or had you forgotten?

Pointing out a religious youth group was making fun of what another religious group (i.e., Jews) consider sacred rituals is in your book implying that one of those youths, now grown up, is an anti-Semite? Really? You can inflate Dr Scratch's comment that far? Learn something new everyday.
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