Buffalo wrote: Thank you for demonstrating that there is no god.
I demonstrated that there is free agency. It is up to us not to allow the sexualization of children for profit. But if our own moral standards are in such decay, should we blame god or the social environment around us which we have helped create?
You demonstrated that life on earth is consistent with there being no god. And unless Mormonism has switched to a non-interventionist, deist world view, that rules out the Mormon faith.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Buffalo wrote: Thank you for demonstrating that there is no god.
I demonstrated that there is free agency. It is up to us not to allow the sexualization of children for profit. But if our own moral standards are in such decay, should we blame god or the social environment around us which we have helped create?
Why Me,
Can you explain how the sexualisation of children for profit prevents the Holy Ghost from prompting someone (anyone) to go and stop something bad happening to a nine year old girl whilst attending her Church classes?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
emilysmith wrote:Whether the promptings of the Holy Ghost were ignored or not, the flaw in revelation from the Holy Ghost is obvious. The reasonable explanation is, of course, that this revelatory power is purely fictional. .
Actually, here is the explanation: we have free agency to exercise good or evil. I wouldn't blame the holy ghost for something which you helped to create: child sexualization through marketing.
Have you been silent? Have you spoken up? If you have been silent or if you have not spoken out, then you are partly to blame. Not the holy ghost.
And if the promptings were ignored, whose fault is that? Not the holy ghost that is for sure.
Your house is on fire. If I knock on your door and you don't hear me, don't you expect me to knock louder? If I knock again and you still don't hear me, don't you expect me to get on the phone and call you? Don't you expect me to yell my ass off and call 911 and wake up the neighbors and do everything I can to prevent the fire? (Or for that matter, the rape of a child?)
We expect more of strangers than we are allowed to expect of God or the Holy Ghost.
Why Me wrote:And if the promptings were ignored, whose fault is that? Not the holy ghost that is for sure.
Wait a minute!! Are you saying that the Holy Ghost prompted people at Church that something bad was happening to that little girl and no one was "in tune" enough to listen?
Why Me wrote:And if the promptings were ignored, whose fault is that? Not the holy ghost that is for sure.
Wait a minute!! Are you saying that the Holy Ghost prompted people at Church that something bad was happening to that little girl and no one was "in tune" enough to listen?
If only they'd been practicing the Mormon Lay, they'd have been in tune with the spirit.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
The HG is not very efficeint. It can tell people where to find their car keys but isn't so good at getting messages across about sex abuse.
Remember, the HG also frightens easily. Loud noises, crying children, doubt, bars, impure thoughts, unhappy emotions, etc. all scare it away.
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
I cannot find a post where you reference the perpetrator. (forgive me if I've missed it)
You seem to wish to distance the Church from blame and pin culpability on society in general. In fact you go further by throwing your hands in the air and exclaim that it could not be prevented because God has given us free agency.
If this was your daughter would you be so "oh well, this is the price we pay for agency and it's all societies fault"? Or would you be tracking this alleged pervert down, demanding explanations from the Bishop and making spiritual enquiries as to why the Holy Ghost did not assist you in protecting her?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Can you explain how the sexualisation of children for profit prevents the Holy Ghost from prompting someone (anyone) to go and stop something bad happening to a nine year old girl whilst attending her Church classes?
I don't know if the holy ghost can prevent evil from happening when people chose to act in an evil way. Or if they ignore the prompting of the holy ghost. What can he do? Only people can prevent evil from happening by not choosing to do evil.
Such is free will.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Can you explain how the sexualisation of children for profit prevents the Holy Ghost from prompting someone (anyone) to go and stop something bad happening to a nine year old girl whilst attending her Church classes?
I don't know if the holy ghost can prevent evil from happening when people chose to act in an evil way. Or if they ignore the prompting of the holy ghost. What can he do? Only people can prevent evil from happening by not choosing to do evil.
Such is free will.
So what you're saying is, God's divine plan can't work unless some little kids get raped. Do I have that right? And this is supposed to teach the little kids what, exactly?
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.