Not So Fast There Darth J

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Darth J wrote:
Nightlion wrote: God is not in the business of rescuing us from our human condition.


That what the problem of evil is, Nightlion. God has the power, the knowledge, and the love to save us from our human condition, but He doesn't.

Soul-making, "everything will be super in heaven," and free will have all been done. These ideas about the problem of evil were contemplated before Joseph Smith was born, and they have been contemplated since them independent of Joseph Smith or the religious movement he started.

Tell me something that the Restored Gospel brings to the table that nobody ever thought of before.

I got no better than what I have given. All you need is the faith to hear it.
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The Mighty Builder wrote:That's right, Mormon man God is just a horny man with all the passions and perversions of a creature of Mother Nature (the real ruler of the Universe) who simply wants to propagate his DNA.

So Evil is from Mormon man God and he does place it upon this Earth so all men will suffer and fall short of the Glory of Godhood, thus preserving all them healthy vaginas for himself.

All is lost, all is lost.

Besides, Death is the only true test of any Religion.


You sayin' all the babes get a free pass? I doubt you have an actual opinion about any God topic that holds substance.

ETA: No you do not have to quip wise on that last bit. I heard you say it before I finished writing it.
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Who is this "sexless" Mormon man God you speak of? For surely as man is, Mormon man God once was and as Mormon man God is now, man may become.

If there ain't no vans a rocking in Mormon man God heaven, what is the purpose of suffering under Elohim's Vengeful, Cruel and Selfish rule?
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The Mighty Builder wrote:Who is this "sexless" Mormon man God you speak of? For surely as man is, Mormon man God once was and as Mormon man God is now, man may become.

If there ain't no vans a rocking in Mormon man God heaven, what is the purpose of suffering under Elohim's Vengeful, Cruel and Selfish?


The exalted married couple such as Adam and Eve finished all the hosts thereof.

God has said of himself that all that he does is accomplished by the word of his power. D&C 29
I could expound, if ya want.
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Nightlion wrote:
Darth J wrote:
Sometimes, we are suffering because it is just how life is and we need to learn from it. We didn't do anything wrong, but we need to learn to have faith.

Other times, we already have faith, but that faith is being tested, even though the reason we have faith is that we have already been tested.

And then there are times when bad things happen to us because it's like God is spanking us, and he needs to teach us obedience.

And God gives us no way to tell the difference.


With the assets God provides to the sanctified there is not this problem. Those who are uninitiated should do better to just stop thinking about it altogether. Pretense is never the real thing. Considerations of God by way of pretense is futile. There is a way to come to know God. Less than that men should admit their ignorance and stop pretending to know anything about it. They are only going to mess it up and get mad and stomp on every green thing.


The way we get sanctified is, of course, through suffering. Through suffering, we learn to have faith. This faith will strengthen us so that we can withstand more suffering to demonstrate the faith that God already knows we have from making us suffer previously to gain the faith to endure more suffering.

Some people don't figure out that suffering is to teach them things or to give them faith. Sometimes that is because they don't make the connection between suffering and God trying to teach them suffering. The solution, of course, is more suffering.

A lot of the time, though, people don't figure out that God is making them suffer to teach them something because God is not there to explain it to them. Luckily, these people will eventually die, so they will then learn what they were supposed to learn on Earth, even though the conditions God put them in made it impossible for them to have learned that.

Let us also not forget free agency, which never works in the direction such that a child molester must undergo the horrible grief and trauma of being deprived of molesting children because a child is exercising his free agency not to be a victim.

And then sometimes people just sin and are not going to repent. The answer, of course, is that they should suffer.

I guess when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
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The Mighty Builder wrote:It is becoming very clear to me that both Darth J and Nightlion are sorely vexed because of their understanding of the "Plan of Salvation."

They have finally figured out that as explained by the Mormon Prophets and Apostles that this truly is the last days when the valiant spirits were chosen to come to Earth and receive bodies so they could be brought up during a time when the True and Everlasting Gospel was upon the Earth.

They just now realize that to be truly Valiant means they should have been born post 1978 "Non-Revelation, Revelation" and to goodly parents in Sub-Content Africa to starve to death before the "age of Accountability" therefore having guaranteed entrance into the Celestial Kingdom.

Sucks to miss the Mark by so little, right Darth J and Nightlion.

Oh, by the way, Mmmm, Burritos.

Who called in a Narrator? Darth J? I never told the Narrator to pipe up. I'm going to go do anything else. I lost a half a day on a project for this.
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Nightlion wrote:Who called in a Narrator? Darth J? I never told the Narrator to pipe up. I'm going to go do anything else. I lost a half a day on a project for this.


Ok, I LOL'd so hard! Thanks, NL. :D
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Inasmuch as I professed that faith is harvested from evil, I like to have a scripture that pleads it better:


Moses 6: 55
55 And the Lord spake unto Adam, saying: Inasmuch as thy children are conceived in sin, even so when they begin to grow up, sin conceiveth in their hearts, and they taste the bitter, that they may know to prize the good.


To taste the bitter can cover the entire range of sin. To know to prize the good is faith. Haters of God will say that they prize good without faith. I say the good that they prize is not even a thousandth of the good that there is. A soul that prizes good would want more than a dab of it. To settle for only a shadow of it scorns all good and puts it to open shame.
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Darth J wrote:
Nightlion wrote:
ETA: I would gladly exchange being raped, or tumbled in the washing machine than the betrayal of beloveds which I have suffered.


What if a loved one raped you in a washing machine?

I guess that would be the Lord truly testing your faithfulness.

Yes. For god, it all comes out in the wash.
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Nightlion wrote:
Darth J wrote:
Why did Jesus heal people and feed them, Nightlion, since it is evil and suffering that teach us and make us contemplate? Why is it a miracle for God to fix a problem that He caused or allowed to happen?

Should I be praised for burning down a house but then giving a tent to the family that lost their house?


All those he fed turned against him. He proved them by telling them more than they wanted to know and convicted them of evil. They resolved that conviction poorly by killing Christ.

Man! I feel like I used to after a day at church. I knew people around you can grind upon your soul and sap virtue from you and leave you warn out and beat up. I never did them any good. And against this resistance I am getting from afar off little to no good is come of it now. I must have burned some feathers though.

And yeah, I know burning feathers is not unique to my Mormonism. :)


Really? He fed the 12 apostles, didn't he?
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