Has 'Apologetics' influenced the official Church position?

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I mean, good grief, tons of doctrinal changes were made in the first couple decades.


Are you speaking of established LDS doctrine that was changed? If so, I don't think there was very much of that at all. If you're speaking of doctrines changed relative to traditional christianity, then yes, there was a lot of that.
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While perhaps not influencing Church positions, I have noticed that more people are carrying concealed weapons at Church than even before. This indicates that apologetic-type message boards have an effect on members.
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bcspace wrote:For example, the ones that carried on the traditions spoken of, or the lineage etc.


I think this is interesting enough to explore a little further.
What examples are there in the Book of Mormon of the Nephites, Lamanites, Jaredites, Mulekites carrying on the traditions and practices and language of their recent Jewish ancestry?
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bcspace wrote:
How can one group of ancestors be "more important" than any other?


The ones that leavened the rest of the population comes to mind. For example, the ones that carried on the traditions spoken of, or the lineage etc.



The ones who left no trace of their DNA or culture anywhere. :D
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bcspace wrote:
I mean, good grief, tons of doctrinal changes were made in the first couple decades.


Are you speaking of established LDS doctrine that was changed? If so, I don't think there was very much of that at all. If you're speaking of doctrines changed relative to traditional christianity, then yes, there was a lot of that.


God suddenly gaining a body was a pretty big changes. There are major revisions to the doctrines in Doctrine & Covenants. Usually the revisions give Joseph Smith more power in the church.
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Buffalo wrote:
bcspace wrote:Are you speaking of established LDS doctrine that was changed? If so, I don't think there was very much of that at all. If you're speaking of doctrines changed relative to traditional christianity, then yes, there was a lot of that.


God suddenly gaining a body was a pretty big changes. There are major revisions to the doctrines in Doctrine & Covenants. Usually the revisions give Joseph Smith more power in the church.


I like the one where the doctrine of Monogamy was canonised whilst Church leaders were rampantly practicing Polygamy and Polyandry.
Good job that revelation came to authorise the 180 degree turn on that one.

And then the one where the doctrine of Polygamy and Polyandry was canonised.

And then the one where the doctrine of Monogamy came back.

And...I'm confused now, are we on Momonogamy or Polygamy this year?
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I think this is interesting enough to explore a little further.
What examples are there in the Book of Mormon of the Nephites, Lamanites, Jaredites, Mulekites carrying on the traditions and practices and language of their recent Jewish ancestry?


I think your qualifyer is non sequitur. But they did carry on the law of Moses until it was fulfilled and the gospel and the story of Christ seems to have survived the events of 375-425 AD. I think many negative aspects that were prophecied of the Lamanites are also carried forward in many of the peoples who inhabited this hemisphere before the Europeans came in force.
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bcspace wrote:
I think this is interesting enough to explore a little further.
What examples are there in the Book of Mormon of the Nephites, Lamanites, Jaredites, Mulekites carrying on the traditions and practices and language of their recent Jewish ancestry?


I think your qualifyer is non sequitur. But they did carry on the law of Moses until it was fulfilled and the gospel and the story of Christ seems to have survived the events of 375-425 AD. I think many negative aspects that were prophecied of the Lamanites are also carried forward in many of the peoples who inhabited this hemisphere before the Europeans came in force.


So none then.
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In my opinion most of scripture is there to fall on. The message is very basic. Talk to God and get it directly. Also much of scripture is still hidden from our eyes. Any church which says they have it all figured out is in error.

Just like science where men say they know more than they do the same is true in religion. I wish more people would come to this conclusion. People would lean on their faith and not lean on their church.

And yes all churches are subject to change based on current public discussions.
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Franktalk wrote:And yes all churches are subject to change based on current public discussions.


Not only are Churches subject to change, but also all organizations, land masses, sea levels, animal, plant and insect species and our waistlines. Apologetics will have little to no part to play in these changes, except for DCP who has coverage for donut-suction written into his health coverage.
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