Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means

[_Simon Belmont]

But he didn't suffer for our sins and afflictions?

Not in the way Darth J. describes.

Let's recap:

First, Darth J. asserted that Jesus felt the pain and sorrow of being physically raped by a man.

Next, he maintained this scenario, but had to logically apply it to all rape incidents from the beginning of time until the ending of time. This, logically, must account for trillions of rape cases. This means that Darth J. believes that Jesus felt the pain of being penetrated by trillions of penises, even though he has no vagina.

Obviously absurd, Darth J. backpedaled, claiming that Jesus merely imagined all this. Or maybe enjoyed it.

Disclaimer: I do not like rape. It isn't funny. I am not mocking rape victims. It is a terrible crime and I do not condone it in any way. Darth J. is simply making a fool of himself once again.

[_Buffalo]

It is awesome to behold!

It also isn't true. Christ died for all of us, to redeem all of us.

You denied the Atonement, which includes Christ suffering "anything and everything that we could ever feel or experience."

It's okay, you probably haven't committed the unpardonable sin yet. You can deny Christ, just not the Holy Ghost. Maybe if you confess to your bishop you can still repent. But you might also have to discuss your rapidly disappearing testimony.




2 Nephi 9:21

And he cometh into the world that he may save all men if they will hearken unto his voice; for behold, he suffereth the pains of all men, yea, the pains of every living creature, both men, women, and children, who belong to the family of Adam.

[_Buffalo]

But he didn't suffer for our sins and afflictions?

Not in the way Darth J. describes.

Let's recap:

First, Darth J. asserted that Jesus felt the pain and sorrow of being physically raped by a man.

Next, he maintained this scenario, but had to logically apply it to all rape incidents from the beginning of time until the ending of time. This, logically, must account for trillions of rape cases. This means that Darth J. believes that Jesus felt the pain of being penetrated by trillions of penises, even though he has no vagina.

Obviously absurd, Darth J. backpedaled, claiming that Jesus merely imagined all this. Or maybe enjoyed it.

Disclaimer: I do not like rape. It isn't funny. I am not mocking rape victims. It is a terrible crime and I do not condone it in any way. Darth J. is simply making a fool of himself once again.

http://LDS.org/ensign/1996/11/the-atonement?lang=eng

The Atonement of Christ fulfilled these prototypes of the Old Testament. He was the firstborn Lamb of God, without blemish. His sacrifice occurred by the shedding of blood. No bones of His body were broken—noteworthy in that both malefactors crucified with the Lord had their legs broken. 26 And His was a vicarious sacrifice for others.

[_Darth J]

3.
felt or enjoyed through imagined participation in the experience of others: a vicarious thrill.

So, according to you, Jesus imagined being raped?

You're really struggling here, DJ. Just admit you misrepresent the church and move on.

I see that you take issue with the word "vicarious." Clearly, I must yet again be gratuitously misrepresenting the teachings of the Church when I say that Christ suffered for us vicariously.

Richard G. Scott, October 1990 General Conference

His was a vicarious atonement that conquered death.

Marion G. Romney, April 1985 Ensign

It was, therefore, through acts of infinite love and mercy that he vicariously paid the debt of the broken law and satisfied the demands of justice.

[_Darth J]

But he didn't suffer for our sins and afflictions?

Not in the way Darth J. describes.

Let's recap:

First, Darth J. asserted that Jesus felt the pain and sorrow of being physically raped by a man.

You are perfectly welcome to show everyone where I said this.

Next, he maintained this scenario, but had to logically apply it to all rape incidents from the beginning of time until the ending of time. This, logically, must account for trillions of rape cases. This means that Darth J. believes that Jesus felt the pain of being penetrated by trillions of penises, even though he has no vagina.

Obviously absurd, Darth J. backpedaled, claiming that Jesus merely imagined all this. Or maybe enjoyed it.

Disclaimer: I do not like rape. It isn't funny. I am not mocking rape victims. It is a terrible crime and I do not condone it in any way. Darth J. is simply making a fool of himself once again.

This is what I meant when I talked about Simon projecting his doubts and Mopologist angst onto me.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I think Darth's post above merits its own thread.

That said. Men get raped, too. Perhaps the Savior was raped, thus allowing Himself to understand a woman's trauma?

- VRDRC

[_Darth J]

I never thought I'd see Simon deny Christ's atonement just for trolling purposes. I can't imagine a true believer doing this.

It is awesome to behold!

You still are not seeing a true believer doing this.

You are seeing Simon Belmont, a Mopologist disciple, doing this.

Moplogetics is about getting in bed with the harlot of Babylon, trying to justify one's allegiance to the LDS Church in worldly terms, instead of faith and affirmation of miraculous events.

Thus is Simon presenting a straw man, and then projecting his anxiety about that straw man onto me, as if I created his crisis of faith because he cannot grasp the miracle of the Atonement the way a believing Latter-day Saint would. Instead, he has to argue about the mechanics of it, the way a Moplogist would.

[_Darth J]

"Bishop, I appreciate your talking to me about when I was raped. It's nice to have church leaders to be here for me, but I really wish that the Savior could understand how I feel, so that he could comfort and heal my sorrows."

"That would be nice, wouldn't it? Unfortunately, Jesus didn't have a vagina, so He can't understand how you feel and has no power to be your Savior, nor any ability to take your pain and sorrow upon Himself. You're on your own on this one. Sorry!"

[_Simon Belmont]

Well, DJ, readers can simply read your posts. If you disagree with my assessment, we can clear this up, here and now:

Do you, Darth J. believe that Jesus felt the physical and mental pains and sensations of a male raping a female, and of a female raping a male, of all people from the beginning of time until the end of time?

Yes or no will suffice.

[_schreech]

This means that Darth J. believes that Jesus felt the pain of being penetrated by trillions of penises, even though he has no vagina.

Obviously absurd, Darth J. backpedaled, claiming that Jesus merely imagined all this. Or maybe enjoyed it.

Wow - now you have become so desperate that you have turned to admitting that your pseudo-deity is not capable of all things like feeling "the pain of being penetrated by trillions of penises". Way to throw Jesus Christ under the bus and minimize both his role as the ONLY begotten son of god and his suffering in the garden (which apparently ONLY you know all about).