ludwigm wrote:by the way I could use my screen name as lw1945, instead I use my own picture as avatar. It is less jolting.
Yes, but who is the old guy in the white shirt?
You seem to have as many gift of discernment as any other prophet, seer and revelator in the last 170 years.
Next time I teach that lion to wink.
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
MrStakhanovite wrote: This can’t be stressed enough. A slang word for Mormon Apologetics we use around here is “Mopologetics” and it usually refers to the craptastic style of thinking and behavior that is typical of Mormons defending their “faith” (I actually hesitate to call it that sometimes) over at the MD&D board......
I tend to defend faith but not the church. Truth does not need me to defend it. It either has a life of its own or it dies a death. It does not need me to stand on.
Scripture with me is very important but I view it differently than most. I think the examples in scripture are widely interpreted and many seek a perfect interpretation. They should instead be spending that time talking to the live God.
jo1952 wrote:Wow - I just finished reading your link; it was beautiful.
thanks, jo.
I'm not a believer, but I've recently learned to take religious narratives more seriously. I find it interesting to see how people make sense of religion, especially people who find a way to make Mormonism "work" for them.
Mormon "apologetics," on the other hand, are a horse of different colour! : )
I have three horses and they are each a different color. They are the same colors as the horses in my avatar, believe it not. Anyway, I get to literally say, "today I am riding my horse of a different color"....happy sigh.
You sound like a great person who does good. Whenever anyone does good (be they a believer or not), then they are working for God whether they realize it or not. When we are doing evil, we are working in Satan's camp. We all step back and forth between the camps: believers, agnostics, atheists....
Love,
jo
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I am hoping to take advantage of this freedom-to-speak atmosphere. It was getting so you couldn't even have as tame a discussion as you do in an actual Sunday School class!! (unless you were one of their darlings who agreed with the status quo of what the mods believed; and thus also what their darlings would post. You could get away with some pretty rude tactics then, without fear of being moderated; and of which of was often the victim.)
You have a good memory - when I first signed up I was Franktalk's girlfriend. We got married this March 2011.
Who are you? Did you post over there? Under what name??
Regards,
jo
I used to post there under the name Keith_bryan. Strangely, neither of my names in real life are either "Keith" or "Bryan".
A long time ago, I used to post under a name that got banned, but I can't quite remember that name.
I also left because of the restrictive environment, that and my last name got banned and I didn't feel like registering another name.
I agree; I've found it to be extremely restrictive and nothing really meaty can be discussed. I like to be edified in discussions and to be able to rejoice.
Blixa wrote: Your porn research has served you well.
One more thing about a Mormon lay. When the man touches a woman with her clothes on, depending on the material, (it should be light cotton) it produces a good sensation on the woman's skin. She becomes excited and sexually heated. The man too shares in the excitement. But again, one must not lose control.
Blixa wrote:Mormon "apologetics," on the other hand, are a horse of different colour! : )
This can’t be stressed enough. A slang word for Mormon Apologetics we use around here is “Mopologetics” and it usually refers to the craptastic style of thinking and behavior that is typical of Mormons defending their “faith” (I actually hesitate to call it that sometimes) over at the MD&D board.
Mopologetics, by it’s very nature, sucks to the nth degree. This really doesn’t have much to do with the Mormon faith itself, but more with the sounding board they’ve created over there. Which critics are allowed to stay is an administrative choice made by a few, with the intent of maintaining the illusion that MD&D actually engages in any serious criticism.
As someone who keeps up with Christian Apologetics, my personal experience is that MD&D is bottom shelf. It’s mostly a bunch of older men who maintain intellectually unsatisfying careers, so they turn to the internet because they think they have something important to say (which they don’t), and think mighty highly of the convoluted rationalizing they create (which they shouldn’t).
Hey Stak,
Do you ever post over at MD&D? Or are you just an observer?
When I first got involved in apologetics (and I had no idea how much hate and anger is held by persons between different religions), I thought MD&D would be a safe haven because I naïvely believed that most LDS held to the same interpretations, and that this should be a good webesite for observing good examples of the Mormon culture. But after spending some time there, I came to realize that unless I stayed in the entertainment section, I was going to find just as much in-fighting there between LDS as I found between Orthodox Christianity and LDS on other websites.
Basically, I have discovered that most active LDS people do not know what apologetics are all about, and they are happily living the types of life they desire by keeping commandments, using Christ as their example to follow; and they are not that concerned with the details of doctrine. In other words, they are busy living as Christlike as they are able to under whatever their circumcstances are.
Apologetics in general are horses of different colors. It is not too difficult for Mormonism not to work people who wish to disbelieve. First, we have the 11 witnesses going to their deaths all having their testimonies of only the gold plates on their lips even though all of them did fall out with Joseph Smith at one time or the other. Plus we have emma hating polygamy and yet, never denying that her husband had a prophetic calling because her sons started their own church which relied on him and if anything Emma knew where the money was. She totally abandoned the Utah church after Joseph died because she knew brigham would continue polygamy and she would no longer be the prophet's wife. And then, we have the various stances on moral issues that just happened to be oh so wrong like the black issue and polygamy though Joseph when he ran for president supported the freedom for slaves by buying their freedom and he even gave the a guy who was one eight black the priesthood . So, when we put some of these things together, it does not work for many people.
However, there are those who believe in that unless we can achieve a perfect history we can reject or avoid those parts that don't work with our narrow world view. And these people may find it easy to stay active because of their misguided belief in historical perfection.
Whyme,
You might also explain to Jo how you are not active LDS but some sort of Catholic/Mormon combination who doesn't really practice what he preaches. After that you can move on to light cotton.
Actually I would love to find out some history on all of you. People fascinate me and I love them all. I am a little familiar with the Catholic religion. My father was raised Catholic but was excommunicated back in the 1940's when he married my Lutheran mother. She refused to sign papers stating she would raise any children from their union in the Catholic church. I understand they do not excommunicate for this reason any longer. Anyway, I still was exposed to many Catholic ceremonies from my father's side of the family (Sicilian) while I was a young girl.
jo1952 wrote:(unless you were one of their darlings who agreed with the status quo of what the mods believed; and thus also what their darlings would post. You could get away with some pretty rude tactics then, without fear of being moderated; and of which of was often the victim.)
jo
Not too often do you hear pit bulls referred to as darlings.
