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Simon Belmont wrote:I don't simply "disagree" Morley, I want Scratch to be responsible for his words. No one ever holds his feet to the fire like he holds DCP's. Why do you think that is?


I have a few ideas:

1. We have no idea who Scratch is, so holding his feet to the fire achieves exactly nothing. Admittedly, holding an apologist's feet to the fire has only a marginally greater potential for being productive, but there you have it.

2. We are generally struggling Mormons, critical non-Mormons, and ex-Mormons, and apologists have on the whole done a crummy job dealing with these demographics. In fact, most of us have either experienced or witnessed the kind of dog-piling that occurs when struggling Mormons ask questions online and apologists are around. The struggler gets roughed up pretty badly. So, whom do you think we, who sympathize this group of struggling Mormons, will tend to identify with? People who who ripped into us and those like us? Not likely.

3. We share with the non-MDB commenters at TIME the realization that apologists often come off like hyper-defensive jerks, whether they intend to or not. Of course, as in the case of those other commenters that must be our fault. However you account for it, though, the simple fact is that it happens. The apologists can be perfectly right and still have a public image problem. That problem seems to provoke a negative response that gets played out most fully here.

4. Most of the LDS people here started out expecting more from the people who defended our religion. We never had such high expectations of an anonymous sock puppet named Doctor Scratch. And, whether that is fair, or right, or justified is really beside the point. It is simply the truth. We were never really invested in Doctor Scratch the way we were invested in the religion of our youth for which we sacrificed by serving in the mission field, in callings, etc.
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
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DarkHelmet wrote:They are lying when they say things like, "I've never heard of such a teaching. You must have had a rogue Bishop." I've moved a lot in my life, and been in a lot of different wards in different states. They all teach pretty much the same thing. In fact, isn't that what makes the church so great? No matter where you attend, the message is consistent. If you've never heard that watching TV and playing with friends are not appropriate Sabbath activities, you haven't attended enough church to understand the issues.


Whether they are consciously lying or not, usually the "not in my ward" argument is bogus. In the heat of an argument, history has a way of changing to meet the needs of the present.
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Kishkumen
We share with the non-MDB commenters at TIME the realization that apologists often come off like hyper-defensive jerks, whether they intend to or not.


Thank you for posting the painful truth of what I am seeing on the TIME related blog. It is baffling and sad all at once.
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Jersey Girl wrote:Thank you for posting the painful truth of what I am seeing on the TIME related blog. It is baffling and sad all at once.


I am thinking there has to be a better way. But what do I know?

According to Simon et al. nothing. I have nothing to add to this conversation. So, I will comment on what I see, realizing that it will likely benefit no one who might have some power to change things. You see, I am wrong, and my observations are wrong. Everyone who agrees with me is wrong, whether they are happy Mormons, ex-Mormons, non-Mormons, or what have you. We are wrong. We should not see what we see, say what we say, or feel what we feel. Our point of view has no merit. Ask apologists, those whose views do have merit based on their say-so, and they will gladly tell you how it is.
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DarkHelmet wrote:I've moved a lot in my life, and been in a lot of different wards in different states. They all teach pretty much the same thing. In fact, isn't that what makes the church so great? No matter where you attend, the message is consistent.
Mormonism, the McDonald's of religion. Wherever you go, you hear the same dogma, and get the same Big Mac.
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DarkHelmet wrote: In fact, isn't that what makes the church so great? No matter where you attend, the message is consistent.

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- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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I'm entirely fascinated by psychology. Does anyone get the impression that the line between message boards and in real life just permanently and visibly blurred on that blog?
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Jersey Girl wrote:I'm entirely fascinated by psychology. Does anyone get the impression that the line between message boards and in real life just permanently and visibly blurred on that blog?


I was astonished to see what happened. It was a moment of truth to be sure. The cat is out of the bag.
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sock puppet wrote:... Big Mac.

You win (two minute...).
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sock puppet wrote:
DarkHelmet wrote:I've moved a lot in my life, and been in a lot of different wards in different states. They all teach pretty much the same thing. In fact, isn't that what makes the church so great? No matter where you attend, the message is consistent.
Mormonism, the McDonald's of religion. Wherever you go, you hear the same dogma, and get the same Big Mac.


McDonalds stock is up this week. More proof the church is true.
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