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Jersey Girl wrote:Hell f*****g no! Of course you didn't look for it. You're not interested in answers. You're interested in glutting up a thread with repeated demands to "show me the nuclear-grade meltdown" than you are:

1. Reading and responding "on point" to the post I made to you.
2. Reading the very thread you've been tripping through for the last couple of days.

I, more than generously, told you that Scratch already addressed what constituted a "nuclear-grade meltdown" and you totally blew it off with yet more blithering!

A normal person would say, "Thanks, I'll look for it". But not you, Simon.


See above.
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Darth J wrote:
In other words, carry on with your unending train wreck:

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Sometimes a train wreck can start a fire, so it totally made sense for me to post this picture when I was talking about a train wreck.
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Simon Belmont wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:
Did you look for Scratch's answer?


Yup. It was ludicrous. He basically said (paraphrasing) (1) It's right there in the comments! Have fun reading. Then, later (2) It's not the comments, its the sum total of DCP's actions.

If it's (2), then why say it's in the comments? Why declare that DCP's comments in that specific article constitute a "nuclear-grade meltdown" if you meant to say it was the sum total of DCP as a person?


That's not the response that describes the meltdown. You don't want to spend time searching for it.

Fine by me. I'm sure as hell not going to deliver it to you. Keep making a total ass of yourself, Belmont.
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_Simon Belmont

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Jersey Girl wrote:That's not the response that describes the meltdown. You don't want to spend time searching for it.

Fine by me. I'm sure as hell not going to deliver it to you. Keep making a total ass of yourself, Belmont.


I think you're referring to this

Scratch wrote:As is frequently the case, Jersey Girl, you're 100% right. The "nuclear-grade meltdown" (quite a funny phrase, no?) is the sum total of poor, hapless DCP's remarks in the "Comments" section of the Web site. Simon wants me to simply pick some quote, though as you rightfully suspect, it's really the entirety of his behavior coupled with the multi-decade context of his past actions that contributed to my labeling this a "nuclear-grade meltdown." Merely taking one quote in order to show the "meltdown" would be like asking someone to bring a cup of sea water in order to show the extent of the Atlantic Ocean.


Which is what I alluded to earlier. It's a non answer.
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Belmont
I have no quarrel with you, Jersey Girl, I just can't understand why you back the most vicious people and attack a mild-mannered one.


Show me anywhere on this thread or on this board where you see me 'backing' "the most vicious people".

No really, show me.

Better yet, Simon, show me where I'm 'backing' ANYONE on this thread.
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Simon Belmont wrote:Which is what I alluded to earlier. It's a non answer.


It is only a non-answer because you rig the game by narrowly construing what you will accept as an answer. Of course, that is totally bogus. Scratch explained why he thought it was a "nuclear-grade meltdown." You pretend like he didn't answer because he didn't follow your specific instructions. Well, shove off, Simon. No one has to follow your stupid instructions to explain why they interpret things as they do. We are all perfectly capable of describing, in our own way and on our own terms, what we mean. Most sincere people are capable of understanding that. It is only because you are going about all of this dishonestly and with an agenda that you consistently say, "nuhuh!"
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Jersey Girl wrote:Show me anywhere on this thread or on this board where you see me 'backing' "the most vicious people".

No really, show me.

Better yet, Simon, show me where I'm 'backing' ANYONE on this thread.


You didn't explicitly back anyone, you're just implicitly taking the side of Scratch et al in regards to DCP. So, if the answer to either of these two questions are no, then I take back my statement and sincerely apologize.

Do you agree with Scratch's comments concerning DCP in this thread?

How about his 5+ year crusade against DCP (for something he can't even define)?

Kishkumen wrote:It is only a non-answer because you rig the game by narrowly construing what you will accept as an answer. Of course, that is totally bogus. Scratch explained why he thought it was a "nuclear-grade meltdown." You pretend like he didn't answer because he didn't follow your specific instructions. Well, shove off, Simon. No one has to follow your stupid instructions to explain why they interpret things as they do. We are all perfectly capable of describing, in our own way and on our own terms, what we mean. Most sincere people are capable of understanding that. It is only because you are going about all of this dishonestly and with an agenda that you consistently say, "nuhuh!"


Right. When Scratch does things like this, it's perfectly okay. If DCP were to say that Scratch was having a "nuclear-grade meltdown" we'd never hear the end of it from you.

For example, watch this:

I hereby declare that Kishkumen is having a nuclear-grade meltdown right now.

(cue the haters)
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Simon Belmont wrote:
I hereby declare that Kishkumen is having a nuclear-grade meltdown right now.

(cue the haters)


In my opinion, Kishkumen is having a car accident.

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Belmont
You didn't explicitly back anyone,


Then stop *lying* about me on this board.

In case you haven't noticed, I am a "stand alone" poster on this board. My posts express my own opinion about what I see and read on these boards, in this case having examined a link to the article and comments section of TIMELightbox.

Period.

My comments on this particular thread, have to do with my observations of Peterson.

Period.

If you'd like to address any of my posts on this thread wherein I have discussed Peterson's behavior. Feel free.

Otherwise, stop trying to throw me on a pile that I don't belong to.
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Simon Belmont wrote:Yes, the world is not full of flowers and rainbows, Kishkumen. What makes it colorful is it's diversity of ideas. When someone misrepresents someone else's faith, as that essay did, calling one person's experiences the standard for all of Mormonism, others are free to correct. That is what the comments section is for. What DCP said was very mild, and more mild than some of the other commentators. Why harp on him?


I don't really see any misrepresentations there, Simon. I am not at all convinced that they are there. I see an uncomfortable attempt to shoehorn relevant information into a description of photos. But I really don't see misrepresentation. The way you use the term misrepresentation implies that this guy was going out of his way to say false things about Mormonism, knowing full well that they were not true, in order to harm the LDS Church. I just don't see that. I think his captions and pictures represent pretty well something in the range of normal LDS experience.

Maybe you think they have to represent the ideal LDS experience. I suppose what would make you happy is something produced by Church PR to advertise how cool Mormons and Mormonism is, like those ads on TV. Maybe if he had shown his brother skateboarding while sipping Yoo-hoo and reading the Book of Mormon with a caption reading, "Mormons are nice, edgy people that you want to be," then you would have nothing but kudos for Mr. Shumway.

As it is, I don't see how these photos could be taken as representing all Mormons, something I think everyone with half a brain and less knee-jerk defensiveness would get. "Like, wow, you are telling me that all Mormons are not exactly like this one guy's family! Like, wow! I never would have got that unless a pack of apologists had been snotty about the photos, captions, and essay. As it was, I just assumed that these guys were representative of ALL Mormons!"

"Scratch" is a pseudonym, so any reference to "Scratch" is not a reference to an actual real person.


Precisely. And this is why it is bizarre to bring him up on the TIME website, where almost no one, at least before that post, had any clue 1) who Dr. Peterson is; 2) what his connection with the LDS Church is; 3) that he has spent a great deal of time fighting with an anonymous poster on an obscure message board or complaining about him on other obscure message boards.

Thanks for making my point for me.

Rest assured, if Scratch dared to post under his actual identity, and DCP or anyone else constantly said untrue things about him for five full years, I'd stick up for Scratch too.


The point of my post is that Dr. Peterson probably would have been better off not bringing up Scratch in a forum like the TIME blog. But you continue to ignore that point like you do most everything else that does not conform to your very limited and tedious script. I know I don't have to invite you to do so.
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