Schryver in 2012 perhaps?

[_MrStakhanovite]

What Will needs is a website, where people can buy the book and perhaps browse some essays written by the man himself. You could even have an endorsement page where men with PhDs after their last name lend Will credibility* by talking about how the book is "clever" and "thought provoking".



*- thanks Jersey Girl

[_Kevin Graham]

The funny thing about William is his overbearing arrogance. A few days ago he posted something the mods immediately edited, but a friend sent me what he posted. Here it is:

Wade,

My advice (and I intend to follow it even if you choose not to) is to cease interacting altogether with Graham the Propagandist. I've noted over the past few months since he was permitted to ply his deceptive trade here once again that, if none of us reply to him in an attempt to explain to the readers here the nature of his unremitting misrepresentations, then the threads simply die. No one reads them unless we participate! So I will no longer bother. It is a futile endeavor. I mean, obviously the guy is not going to acknowledge what he does, and since no one pays attention to him unless we do, then I say let's permit him to speak to his audience of one without interruption. Besides, I have real work on these issues to finish.

If DCP has been able to finally break the message board addiction after all these years, then we can, too!

As soon as I have my EA/GAEL/EC transcription chapter done, I promise to make it available to you (as long as you keep it under wraps, of course). I guarantee you will find it immensely informative, and I'll bet you'll be able to identify things I have missed, in which case I will gladly credit you.

As for Graham and his apostate cohorts, let them do what they will. They have made a conscious decision in their lives to reject truth and embrace falsehood. Who are we to interfere with their exercise of agency in that respect?

How in the world would he even know this?

The fact is I posted my refutation of his Cipher theory more than a week ago and within three days there were more than 8,000 views. It ended up with 11,000, the last thousand coming after the thread was closed by mods; because William kept littering the thread with insults! I find it hard to believe that people flocked to the thread just to read Will's scarce, pithy remarks that try to avoid any debate at all.

The thread I started five days ago already has 6,000 views. Two days ago it had just 200 fewer, and since then only Wade has been posting (George and I have said we plan to post this weekend).

So where does Will come up with this crap?

That's his home forum for crying out loud.

This was also pointed out to me yesterday: in over 5,000 posts he only has 137 "reputation points." Hell, I have posted barely 500 times since June and I've almost tied him with 119.

Too funny. Will has no credibility no matter where he goes.

And the fact that he is trying to lure wade away is telling. With all his hubris and bluster since last year. you'd think he'd be itching for the opportunity to defend his thesis and prove this evil anti-Mormon wrong. But he can't so he just runs away as usual. What a puss-cake.

[_Kishkumen]

What Will needs is a website, where people can buy the book and perhaps browse some essays written by the man himself. You could even have an endorsement page where men with PhDs after their last name lend Will credibility* by talking about how the book is "clever" and "thought provoking".



*- thanks Jersey Girl

This is an excellent idea, but I think he needs a physical book in order to seem more substantial. The website is a necessary plank of his marketing strategy, to be sure. He can have webinars there, a discussion board of his own, the whole Megillah. But really, the physical book still means something, even if it is only a springboard to other things. Think of Herman Cain and his book tour. Or Sarah Palin. A book maybe a sunk cost in the short run, but people still desire that saint's relic before they invest their faith. Remember the gold plates.

[_Melchett]

The funny thing about William is his overbearing arrogance. A few days ago he posted something the mods immediately edited, but a friend sent me what he posted. Here it is:

Wade,

My advice (and I intend to follow it even if you choose not to) is to cease interacting altogether with Graham the Propagandist. I've noted over the past few months since he was permitted to ply his deceptive trade here once again that, if none of us reply to him in an attempt to explain to the readers here the nature of his unremitting misrepresentations, then the threads simply die. No one reads them unless we participate! So I will no longer bother. It is a futile endeavor. I mean, obviously the guy is not going to acknowledge what he does, and since no one pays attention to him unless we do, then I say let's permit him to speak to his audience of one without interruption. Besides, I have real work on these issues to finish.

If DCP has been able to finally break the message board addiction after all these years, then we can, too!

As soon as I have my EA/GAEL/EC transcription chapter done, I promise to make it available to you (as long as you keep it under wraps, of course). I guarantee you will find it immensely informative, and I'll bet you'll be able to identify things I have missed, in which case I will gladly credit you.

As for Graham and his apostate cohorts, let them do what they will. They have made a conscious decision in their lives to reject truth and embrace falsehood. Who are we to interfere with their exercise of agency in that respect?

How in the world would he even know this?

The fact is I posted my refutation of his Cipher theory more than a week ago and within three days there were more than 8,000 views. It ended up with 11,000, the last thousand coming after the thread was closed by mods; because William kept littering the thread with insults! I find it hard to believe that people flocked to the thread just to read Will's scarce, pithy remarks that try to avoid any debate at all.

The thread I started five days ago already has 6,000 views. Two days ago it had just 200 fewer, and since then only Wade has been posting (George and I have said we plan to post this weekend).

So where does Will come up with this crap?

That's his home forum for crying out loud.

This was also pointed out to me yesterday: in over 5,000 posts he only has 137 "reputation points." Hell, I have posted barely 500 times since June and I've almost tied him with 119.

Too funny. Will has no credibility no matter where he goes.

And the fact that he is trying to lure wade away is telling. With all his hubris and bluster since last year. you'd think he'd be itching for the opportunity to defend his thesis and prove this evil anti-Mormon wrong. But he can't so he just runs away as usual. What a puss-cake.

As one who read your refutation, the fact that Will was there made no difference, and by him stating "No one reads them unless we participate" just shows how much he is buying into his own fantasies. He's got the genie in the bottle, and by waving it around, it is bringing him the attention he craves to satisfy his ego.

[_Buffalo]

What Will needs is a website, where people can buy the book and perhaps browse some essays written by the man himself. You could even have an endorsement page where men with PhDs after their last name lend Will credibility* by talking about how the book is "clever" and "thought provoking".



*- thanks Jersey Girl

This is an excellent idea, but I think he needs a physical book in order to seem more substantial. The website is a necessary plank of his marketing strategy, to be sure. He can have webinars there, a discussion board of his own, the whole Megillah. But really, the physical book still means something, even if it is only a springboard to other things. Think of Herman Cain and his book tour. Or Sarah Palin. A book maybe a sunk cost in the short run, but people still desire that saint's relic before they invest their faith. Remember the gold plates.

I'm trying to imagine his discussion board. Will, his sock puppets, Wade & Droopy posting on his side. A few apologists registered but not posting for fear of being tainted by association. And only a few critics registered as well, as most would not like to hand over that much contact information to a notorious stalker.

[_MrStakhanovite]

What Will needs is a website, where people can buy the book and perhaps browse some essays written by the man himself. You could even have an endorsement page where men with PhDs after their last name lend Will credibility* by talking about how the book is "clever" and "thought provoking".



*- thanks Jersey Girl

This is an excellent idea, but I think he needs a physical book in order to seem more substantial. The website is a necessary plank of his marketing strategy, to be sure. He can have webinars there, a discussion board of his own, the whole Megillah. But really, the physical book still means something, even if it is only a springboard to other things. Think of Herman Cain and his book tour. Or Sarah Palin. A book maybe a sunk cost in the short run, but people still desire that saint's relic before they invest their faith. Remember the gold plates.

I think the book would actually be his flagship; the book would have to come first, before the website could be launched. I imagine the bio page would be a bit longer than most authors, where he would list everything that could be considered a credential is any form, from his high school diploma, letters of recommendation, IT certificates, a list of what seminars he has attended, Eagle Scout badges, you name it. And of course, next to this exhaustive list would be a professionally done photo of the man himself, in a black n white photo, Will in a black long sleeve shirt, arms crossed with a serious look on his face.

It would be wise for William to offer up the introduction and first chapter of his magnum opus for free on the site, so audiences could whet their appetite. Links to his amazon store, youtube videos of Will giving firesides and FAIR papers, assisted by the much loved Kerry Shirts.

His blog would be the real treat. He’d link every single positive review, exclaiming that finally, some honest person has took the time to read his work and give it a fair assessment. Negative views would be rebuked, and the blame placed squarely on the shoulders of Kevin Graham and the hordes of bigoted anti-mormons who just automatically pan his book with 1 star ratings, because they can’t deal with the evidence and argumentation he brought forth.

Man….Will, you need to make this happen.

[_Kishkumen]

I think the book would actually be his flagship; the book would have to come first, before the website could be launched. I imagine the bio page would be a bit longer than most authors, where he would list everything that could be considered a credential is any form, from his high school diploma, letters of recommendation, IT certificates, a list of what seminars he has attended, Eagle Scout badges, you name it. And of course, next to this exhaustive list would be a professionally done photo of the man himself, in a black n white photo, Will in a black long sleeve shirt, arms crossed with a serious look on his face.

It would be wise for William to offer up the introduction and first chapter of his magnum opus for free on the site, so audiences could whet their appetite. Links to his amazon store, youtube videos of Will giving firesides and FAIR papers, assisted by the much loved Kerry Shirts.

His blog would be the real treat. He’d link every single positive review, exclaiming that finally, some honest person has took the time to read his work and give it a fair assessment. Negative views would be rebuked, and the blame placed squarely on the shoulders of Kevin Graham and the hordes of bigoted anti-mormons who just automatically pan his book with 1 star ratings, because they can’t deal with the evidence and argumentation he brought forth.

Man….Will, you need to make this happen.

Wow, Stak. You and I are of one mind on this one. Will has all of the makings of the charismatic, persecuted crank, like a Truther or Birther. He also has a ready consumer base to tap into. What they want is a hero to fill the charisma gap left by unsympathetic corporate-style Church leadership. Of course the people who thirst after these things don't reject official Church authority altogether. But they thirst for something more that they are not getting on Sunday: a firm, unequivocal answer that reveals the real mysteries and revives their shaky faith, coming from a person who is a bona fide personality.

As you say, Will can roll out all of his many hats: computer programer, composer, filmmaker, scholar, Italian speaker, Hebrew reader, etc., etc. He can spin it all to argue that he is uniquely qualified to reveal these mysteries. No one else has used these tools, no one else has brought together the tools, approach, and dedication in this way. No one studying this stuff is so unfailingly loyal to Joseph Smith as he. No one else working on this has his calling and election made sure as he does. He obviously has enough skills and tools at his disposal to handle a lot of the promotion and marketing on his own. He can also enlist the help of loyal friends and family.

This is like Meldrum on steroids. Imagine the possibilities. Will has a real opportunity here. It will be interesting to see whether he takes it, and whether he is able to pull it off without completely alienating the apologetic establishment if he does take it.

[_Kishkumen]

I'm trying to imagine his discussion board. Will, his sock puppets, Wade & Droopy posting on his side. A few apologists registered but not posting for fear of being tainted by association. And only a few critics registered as well, as most would not like to hand over that much contact information to a notorious stalker.

I guarantee you that just about any crackpot theory you can imagine will attract fanboys. The discussion board could be quite lively.

[_Carton]

This is like Meldrum on steroids. Imagine the possibilities. Will has a real opportunity here. It will be interesting to see whether he takes it, and whether he is able to pull it off without completely alienating the apologetic establishment if he does take it.

Why do you think he would run the risk of "alienating the apologetic establishment"? It sure seems to me that he is a darling of the "apologetic establishment". I view the "establishment" as being Peterson, Hamblin, Midgley, etc. Schryver fits right in with that group.

Now if you mean the new generation of apologists like Bokovoy and Bradley, then I think Schryver has already alienated them. It just remains to be seen if they have enough power to prevent Schryver from becoming a prominent voice in apologetic circles. Do we even know for sure that Schryver has been black-balled at the MI? From some of the things Peterson has said in the past year, I'm not so sure about that. I'm not even convinced that Schryver was black-balled at all. The only evidence we have that he was is that he claimed he had an article that was going to be published, and then it wasn't. Do we know for sure the reasons why it wasn't published? On the TIME blog thread, one poster asked Peterson point-blank if the MI had rejected a Schryver article on account of his sexist online comments. Peterson replied:

I don't believe that it's ever been the policy of the Maxwell Institute to announce editorial decisions and/or the rationale behind them on public message boards or in TIME magazine comment sections.

That policy probably won't change now, either.

Anyway, I don't see the relevance (to either Brian Shumway's photographs or the accompanying essay) of the issue that you and others have tried to raise here. You seem, simply, to be attempting an irrelevant public defamation -- motivated, it appears, by intense personal hatred. Rather curious, I think.

So Peterson views talk about Schryver's sexism as "irrelevant public defamation" motivated by "intense personal hatred". That doesn't strike me as someone who wants to publicly distance himself from Schryver.

[_Chap]

This is like Meldrum on steroids. Imagine the possibilities. Will has a real opportunity here. It will be interesting to see whether he takes it, and whether he is able to pull it off without completely alienating the apologetic establishment if he does take it.

Why do you think he would run the risk of "alienating the apologetic establishment"? It sure seems to me that he is a darling of the "apologetic establishment". I view the "establishment" as being Peterson, Hamblin, Midgley, etc. Schryver fits right in with that group.

Now if you mean the new generation of apologists like Bokovoy and Bradley, then I think Schryver has already alienated them. It just remains to be seen if they have enough power to prevent Schryver from becoming a prominent voice in apologetic circles. Do we even know for sure that Schryver has been black-balled at the MI? From some of the things Peterson has said in the past year, I'm not so sure about that. I'm not even convinced that Schryver was black-balled at all. The only evidence we have that he was is that he claimed he had an article that was going to be published, and then it wasn't. Do we know for sure the reasons why it wasn't published? On the TIME blog thread, one poster asked Peterson point-blank if the MI had rejected a Schryver article on account of his sexist online comments. Peterson replied:

I don't believe that it's ever been the policy of the Maxwell Institute to announce editorial decisions and/or the rationale behind them on public message boards or in TIME magazine comment sections.

That policy probably won't change now, either.

Anyway, I don't see the relevance (to either Brian Shumway's photographs or the accompanying essay) of the issue that you and others have tried to raise here. You seem, simply, to be attempting an irrelevant public defamation -- motivated, it appears, by intense personal hatred. Rather curious, I think.

So Peterson views talk about Schryver's sexism as "irrelevant public defamation" motivated by "intense personal hatred". That doesn't strike me as someone who wants to publicly distance himself from Schryver.

MsJack posted that she had received a private notification from a NAMIRS insider that the unpleasantl language used towards women by Schryver and complained of in her post on that topic had led to NAMIRS deciding that they wanted nothing to do with him or his article.