A Talk Last Night With My Daughter

[_Darth J]

Why Me, I think you should make sure to advocate your "light cotton" dry-humping scheme to the youth in your ward. Tell them that "For the Strength of Youth" is just opinions and the Church knows that people aren't really going to do it. In fact, make sure to tell all of this to your bishop, too.

I don't recommend it for youth at all. But I do for young adults who are sweating it out with someone they love.

Just like the Church says we absolutely should not do. E.g., http://LDS.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?local ... 94610aRCRD

But again, one must remember to keep one's head when doing it.

Just like the Church says we absolutely should not do.

You would be surprised just how many Mormon lays occur in the church with the young adults.

No, I wouldn't. (Source: I have been a young adult in the Church) However, I would be very surprised if anyone used the simultaneously lame and creepy expression, "Mormon lay."

Most are not surpressing their sexual feelings at all with the people they are contemplating marriage with.

The difference is that I never pretended that what I was doing was okay under the Church's standards. Why do you even pretend to be defending the Church when you are flagrantly contradicting the Church's teachings and encouraging violations of the law of chastity? If you believe that the neo-Victorian anxieties of the paid gerontocracy are the inspired counsel of living prophets and apostles, then just say you're sinning and own it. If you don't believe that the neo-Victorian anxieties of the paid gerontocracy are the inspired counsel of living prophets and apostles, then stop thinking you are fooling anyone but yourself by purporting to be a defender of the faith.

[_why me]

Why Me,

Also, your discussion of the positive merits of a "Mormon lay"...talking about it as if it is something that should be taught and encouraged to young adults, and is a perfectly acceptable practice, is beyond absurd. It once again shows how out of touch with the day to day living of Mormonism that you really are.

I never said that it is something that should be taught. I said that I would recommend it for young adults sweating it out with the person they love. But they must keep their heads during the act.

But I do think that the act itself comes naturally when one is in love and can't have intercourse. No reason to say anything. But not for the youth.

[_why me]

The difference is that I never pretended that what I was doing was okay under the Church's standards. Why do you even pretend to be defending the Church when you are flagrantly contradicting the Church's teachings and encouraging violations of the law of chastity?

You missed out. Just get over it. I think that many young adults do it with the person they love or like. As long as it doesn't go too far, no problem for them. No one is going to the bishop about making out with their the person they will be marrying. But like I said over and over again, one must go by ones feelings and whether one will feel sorry about it later.

[_why me]

Why Me, for some reason, you seem to think that you are persecuted on this board because you defend the Church. That is not the case.

I don't think that the playig field is fair. But I don't consider myself persecuted. It goes with the turf.

[_cafe crema]

T
Interestly consig needs to be more positive about the church with his daughter.

Why

[_why me]

More than anyone I've met online, Consiglieri has been consistent in expanding the minds of the LDS people with whom he interacts. If I recall correctly, Consig is a secretary in his High Priests group - not a high and holy calling by any means; some would say he has been given this calling to keep him under wraps. Even so, Consig has shown that he can make silk from a sow's ear - he challenges his peers in leadership and he challenges his group members, as he has recounted in this forum.

That is a lesson you'd do well to learn, WhyMe.

H.

Here is the root of the matter. I speak up in the meetings. I am not confrontational when I open my mouth. What I bring up is brought up for discussion. Now has the sunday school teacher been a little bothered by me bringing up certain things? Yes. But I do open my mouth. I don't see our two friends doing this at all.

Consig is not the same person he was during his bullseye and sunday school posts on MAD. And just me seems to think herself just a little above the rest of the Mormons when she sits in judgement about what is being taught or said by her brothers and sisters in the ward. And maybe this is consigs problem too.

In a conversation with a member of the bishoporic a couple of weeks ago, I asked him what he thinks members know about church history and he said, they may know more than I think than they know. And that may be true.

Here is the point: I do not consider myself above the rest as our two friends show signs of. But they have mouths...they can speak for themselves.

[_why me]

Why

Because he claims to be Mormon and seems to be active in body. Likewise, I would say the same for a catholic parent whose daughter or son is no longer attending because of the abuse scandals. See the positive that the church is doing in the world and for the human race and expect human fallacy in all organizations.

[_Yoda]

More than anyone I've met online, Consiglieri has been consistent in expanding the minds of the LDS people with whom he interacts. If I recall correctly, Consig is a secretary in his High Priests group - not a high and holy calling by any means; some would say he has been given this calling to keep him under wraps. Even so, Consig has shown that he can make silk from a sow's ear - he challenges his peers in leadership and he challenges his group members, as he has recounted in this forum.

That is a lesson you'd do well to learn, WhyMe.

H.

Here is the root of the matter. I speak up in the meetings. I am not confrontational when I open my mouth. What I bring up is brought up for discussion. Now has the sunday school teacher been a little bothered by me bringing up certain things? Yes. But I do open my mouth. I don't see our two friends doing this at all.

Consig is not the same person he was during his bullseye and sunday school posts on MAD. And just me seems to think herself just a little above the rest of the Mormons when she sits in judgement about what is being taught or said by her brothers and sisters in the ward. And maybe this is consigs problem too.

In a conversation with a member of the bishoporic a couple of weeks ago, I asked him what he thinks members know about church history and he said, they may know more than I think than they know. And that may be true.

Here is the point: I do not consider myself above the rest as our two friends show signs of. But they have mouths...they can speak for themselves.

You may not consider yourself above the rest of the members of your ward, but you sure as hell consider yourself above the rest when it comes to the posters here.

And, in incorporating that attitude, you have completely misread both Just Me and Consig, which is unfortunate.

Simply because Just Me chooses to not bring something up in class, and brings it up here does not mean that she is above it all. It simply means that, for a myriad of reasons, she felt it best to remain quiet during the class discussion. She chose to bring the topic up here because, guess what...this is a Mormon Discussion Board! You have no right to judge Just Me. I would venture to say that she has attended more church meetings in the last month than you probably have in the last year! She is LIVING Mormonism, where you are simply playing at defending it. And that, my friend, is why you are not taken seriously.

As for Consig...I have no idea why you feel that he acts above anyone. He has been nothing but congenial, and, at the same time, has more gospel knowledge than almost anyone I have had the pleasure of knowing.

[_cafe crema]

More than anyone I've met online, Consiglieri has been consistent in expanding the minds of the LDS people with whom he interacts. If I recall correctly, Consig is a secretary in his High Priests group - not a high and holy calling by any means; some would say he has been given this calling to keep him under wraps. Even so, Consig has shown that he can make silk from a sow's ear - he challenges his peers in leadership and he challenges his group members, as he has recounted in this forum.

One who counts himself above Mormons, as you put it, WhyMe, would not share information as freely as Consig does. I'd even go so far as to say that if my ward had a Consiglieri with whom I felt simpatico, I may still be an active and participating member of the church.

I used to label Consig a maverick, and shamefully, I probably told him something to that effect over on the other board. But I've come to learn this - Consig does good.

That is a lesson you'd do well to learn, WhyMe.

H.

And he is willingly gives his time, talent, and treasure to the LDS church unlike Whyme.

[_Yoda]

More than anyone I've met online, Consiglieri has been consistent in expanding the minds of the LDS people with whom he interacts. If I recall correctly, Consig is a secretary in his High Priests group - not a high and holy calling by any means; some would say he has been given this calling to keep him under wraps. Even so, Consig has shown that he can make silk from a sow's ear - he challenges his peers in leadership and he challenges his group members, as he has recounted in this forum.

One who counts himself above Mormons, as you put it, WhyMe, would not share information as freely as Consig does. I'd even go so far as to say that if my ward had a Consiglieri with whom I felt simpatico, I may still be an active and participating member of the church.

I used to label Consig a maverick, and shamefully, I probably told him something to that effect over on the other board. But I've come to learn this - Consig does good.

That is a lesson you'd do well to learn, WhyMe.

H.

And he is willingly gives his time, talent, and treasure to the LDS church unlike Whyme.

BINGO!!!

This is the point that Why Me seems to consistently ignore. He doesn't seem to understand why he is not taken seriously. The bottom line is...when you don't walk the walk, you can't talk the talk.