A Wish for Priesthood Blessings that Work

[_Buffalo]

"They best they could" would be to call 911 immediately. Unfortunately they had too much faith in priesthood blessings and probably contributed to the death of a man.

Mormonism kills.

With hindsight, yes, they should have. But with hindsight we can always make a better choice. I think that they never thought to call 911 and no one else did either who were involved and it seems many were before the arrival of the nurse.

It is not Mormonism that kills but the human body. It is fragile.

Mormonism killed this man. Priesthood blessings don't work. Just like Jehovah's Witness doctrine has killed many people who refused blood transfusions. Christian Scientist doctrines have probably killed thousands.

[_Buffalo]

What was my wife thinking? She was thinking negligence. Denial of necessary life-saving care. Those are crimes in Canada. And she is a medical professional who has a legal and ethical obligation. And I begged her not to report it, to leave it up to the family.

H.

So some poor guys did not react as they should have reacted. But then again, anyone could have called 911 who witnessed the event. And his family could have done so too. But no one did because no one seemed alarmed in the first minutes. As I said, no one knows how they will react in such cases. We all want to believe that we would do the right thing but shock can be a problem.

Your wife wishing to report people that she has known for a while doesn't say much of her opinion of the people involved. I don't think that they denied life saving care because no one offered it. Now if they would have told your wife to get lost...well...that may be something different.

You weren't there.

[_Stormy Waters]

I know the game prettty well. The choice of words just shows where Hal is at in all this. Interrogate is the wrong choice of word meaning to convey something sinister. Ask or question would have been a much better choice of description.

You're right "why me" I reread the story, but I substituted the 'interrogate' for 'ask.' It totally changed the moral and outcome of the story. Now I see it in a whole new light.
Wait, no... It doesn't change anything.

[_Yoda]

And what does this have to do with what I wrote above? The people involved reacted as best as they could in their circumstances and knowledge. And that was my point. Now if they were doctors and nurses that would be different.

"They best they could" would be to call 911 immediately. Unfortunately they had too much faith in priesthood blessings and probably contributed to the death of a man.

Mormonism kills.

I'm not sure that it is fair to heap all of the blame on either Mormonism or the elders who decided to give the man a blessing instead of calling 911.

I have always been taught that you are to seek out medical attention first, and that a priesthood blessing goes hand in hand with proper medical care, never instead of it.

Those brethren obviously made a horrible judgment call. As Consig indicated earlier in the thread, if I were them, I would carry a tremendous amount of guilt around with me for the rest of my life.

However, as Why Me pointed out, human situations are complicated. The man who had the heart attack, who was a competent adult, asked for the blessing. Now, I agree that the men should have insisted on medical attention first. However, maybe they didn't realize that the situation was as dire as it was? If the man insisted that he was OK and wanted a blessing first, I can see how something like this might happen.

All of this being said, LDST, it is a horrible tragedy, and I am certainly sorry for the loss of your friend.

[_Yoda]

You're right "why me" I reread the story, but I substituted the 'interrogate' for 'ask.' It totally changed the moral and outcome of the story. Now I see it in a whole new light.
Wait, no... It doesn't change anything.

We all know the reason for using interrogate in the story. It comes with the critic perspective.

That is BS.

[_Drifting]

I'm bumping this thread now that the moderation discussion has been split off.

[_Yoda]

I'm bumping this thread now that the moderation discussion has been split off.

Thanks, Drifting! :-)

The split is here if you are looking for the other discussion:

http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/vie ... =1&t=22000

[_LDSToronto]

However, as Why Me pointed out, human situations are complicated. The man who had the heart attack, who was a competent adult, asked for the blessing. Now, I agree that the men should have insisted on medical attention first. However, maybe they didn't realize that the situation was as dire as it was? If the man insisted that he was OK and wanted a blessing first, I can see how something like this might happen.

Actually, liz, I probably wasn't entirely clear in my original story - Br. M did not ask for the blessing - he was kind of in a dazed state and was only really able to communicate pain. The two guys, Br. P and Br. B, made the decision to give him the blessing.

All of this being said, LDST, it is a horrible tragedy, and I am certainly sorry for the loss of your friend.

Thanks, Liz. To clarify again - he wasn't my friend, just a ward member. I'm man enough to admit I didn't like the guy (even though he's dead) - he was a pompous ass to be honest. Lectured me once in PEC because I got a speeding ticket on my way to the meeting.

But I was angry because of the simple fact that negligence and poor prioritizing contributed to his preventable death.

H.

[_Yoda]

Actually, liz, I probably wasn't entirely clear in my original story - Br. M did not ask for the blessing - he was kind of in a dazed state and was only really able to communicate pain. The two guys, Br. P and Br. B, made the decision to give him the blessing.

Oh, wow! In that case, Br. P and Br. B were just plain stupid!

But I was angry because of the simple fact that negligence and poor prioritizing contributed to his preventable death.

I certainly don't blame you there! And, it must have absolutely killed your wife, since she is a medical professional. Is she a nurse or a doctor?

[_LDSToronto]

I certainly don't blame you there! And, it must have absolutely killed your wife, since she is a medical professional. Is she a nurse or a doctor?

She's in-between - a nurse practitioner. At the time, she was a registered nurse.