Memo to COJCOLDS: Give up on the coffee ban

[_Yoda]

Meat, however, isn't as an inherently addictive substance as alcohol is.

Personally, I agree that there is nothing wrong with moderate consumption of both alcohol and coffee.

However, there are also medical studies that show that alcoholism is a physical addiction. Someone can be predetermined to be an alcoholic and never take a drink.

I don't know. As a one-time inactive guy, I used to drink. When I came back, I gave up alcohol pretty easily. Meat would be a lot harder.

As Just Me pointed out, though, it is all about knowing your own body. Most folks are like you, and can take it or leave it when it comes to alcohol. However, there is a real proclivity for some to become addicted to it. In all fairness, this proclivity does not exist with meat. And, even if it did, it would not lead to the same type of physical demise that alcoholism does.

[_Buffalo]

As Just Me pointed out, though, it is all about knowing your own body. Most folks are like you, and can take it or leave it when it comes to alcohol. However, there is a real proclivity for some to become addicted to it. In all fairness, this proclivity does not exist with meat. And, even if it did, it would not lead to the same type of physical demise that alcoholism does.

Fatty food in general kills a lot more people than booze.

[_Stormy Waters]

Fatty food in general kills a lot more people than booze.

Heart disease is the leading cause of death in the US.
http://www.cdc.gov/features/heartmonth/

If the Word of wisdom was about health, you'd think they'd mention this in general conference.

[_ldsfaqs]

That's NOT what the Word of Wisdom actually states.
Anti-mormon perversion of our scripture is not truth and fact.

It states that "creeping things" like bugs, etc. should be "only" eaten during famine, winter, etc.

Further, other scripture makes clear that meat is to be eaten and not forbidden.

12 Yea, aflesh also of bbeasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used csparingly;

13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be aused, only in times of winter, or of cold, or bfamine.

That's a direct quote from D&C 89. Please point out to me in there where it mentions "creeping things". Thanks.

The creeping things verse is in verses 14-15.

14 All grain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;

15 And these hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.

Verse 13 above is NOT saying they they should ONLY be used during those periods, the usage of the word "NOT" is making it say the opposite. What it's saying is that it's "okay" to eat meat at other times other than winter, cold, famine. We know this because:

1. Meat was most eaten during those periods because it was able to be preserved.
2. The usage of "not" is Old English wording, reversal of meaning.
3. Note how verse 15 is written. It's written strait out without the word "not", specifically forbidding creeping things to be eaten save in winter, famine, etc. If verse 13 meant what YOU think it means, it would have been written the same as verse 15. The addition in verse 13 of the word "NOT", changes the meaning.

In conclusion, this is another good example of why people become anti-mormons, because they do not know how to properly interpret things, they are intellectually lazy and ignorant.

[_ldsfaqs]

Like with Coffee, the BAD benefits of Alcohol STILL exist. There being "some" benefits to something doesn't mean it's ultimately good for you.

Pass the seer stone and top hat, I cannot figure out what ldsfags is trying to say.

It's simple.....

Alcohol still kills brain cells, kidney cells, and on and on.
The fact that it can get rid of some "cholesterol" or whatever other moronic benefit doesn't change it's harmful effects.

[_ldsfaqs]

That's NOT what the Word of Wisdom actually states.
Anti-mormon perversion of our scripture is not truth and fact.

It states that "creeping things" like bugs, etc. should be "only" eaten during famine, winter, etc.

Further, other scripture makes clear that meat is to be eaten and not forbidden.

ldsfaqs.
Once again you are demonstrably wrong...

12 Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly;

13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.

Edit. I see someone else had already posted this evidence in response to ldsfaqs false statement.

YOUR's is the "false statement" as usual.... Read my explanation above.

[_Yoda]

As Just Me pointed out, though, it is all about knowing your own body. Most folks are like you, and can take it or leave it when it comes to alcohol. However, there is a real proclivity for some to become addicted to it. In all fairness, this proclivity does not exist with meat. And, even if it did, it would not lead to the same type of physical demise that alcoholism does.

Fatty food in general kills a lot more people than booze.

Ah, but we were discussing meat! ;-)

Actually, I think it would be great if more emphasis was placed on health in general.

Sugar has basically become the drug of choice for Mormons.

[_ldsfaqs]

ldsfaqs.
Once again you are demonstrably wrong...


Edit. I see someone else had already posted this evidence in response to ldsfaqs false statement.

It just goes to show that when people turn to apologetics it's like a dog returning to its vomit. They forget all about the teachings for the church and become enamored with the smooth, seductive lie of mopologetics.

Nope, you are describing YOURSELF.... See my explanation above. It's YOU who've "forgotten" the teachings, or never knew them in the first place.

[_Darth J]

What does bad benefit mean?

There are many bad benefits to gender racism.

[Guest]

The creeping things verse is in verses 14-15.

14 All grain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;

15 And these hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.

Verse 13 above is NOT saying they they should ONLY be used during those periods, the usage of the word "NOT" is making it say the opposite. What it's saying is that it's "okay" to eat meat at other times other than winter, cold, famine. We know this because:

1. Meat was most eaten during those periods because it was able to be preserved.
2. The usage of "not" is Old English wording, reversal of meaning.
3. Note how verse 15 is written. It's written strait out without the word "not", specifically forbidding creeping things to be eaten save in winter, famine, etc. If verse 13 meant what YOU think it means, it would have been written the same as verse 15. The addition in verse 13 of the word "NOT", changes the meaning.

In conclusion, this is another good example of why people become anti-mormons, because they do not know how to properly interpret things, they are intellectually lazy and ignorant.

Dear Ldsfaqs,

PLEEZE LURN TO REEDE.

http://www.whitesmoke.com/clauses-in-english

The "not only" in verse 14 is saying that grain is to be used as food for everything animal, not just man.

"These" in verse 15 refers to "the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth." It is referring to the last dependent clause of the preceding verse, per basic English grammar.

The meaning of these words is that

1. grain is supposed to be food for man and beasts and birds and wild animals; and
2. man is supposed to use beasts and birds and wild animals as food only in times of famine and excess hunger.

(Note: these two verses from D&C 89 present a good example of how the Lord pads his verbiage by speaking in redundancies. Beasts and wild animals; famine and excess of hunger.)