Themis wrote:The church is moving away from making any more definitive statements about this and many other issues. It's the best strategy to protect as long as they can beliefs that are incorrect.
Agreed, but until they expunge the New York only stuff from the Ensign or give a definitive statement otherwise, that is the established doctrine.
Themis wrote:The church is moving away from making any more definitive statements about this and many other issues. It's the best strategy to protect as long as they can beliefs that are incorrect.
Agreed, but until they expunge the New York only stuff from the Ensign or give a definitive statement otherwise, that is the established doctrine.
No doubt about it. Bcspace would have to admit as much if he wants to be honest here.
It seems, then, that all of the official Church statements point toward the Hill Cumorah being in NY, and that being the only hill.
Comments, apologists?
That is correct. The only non-New York assertions have been qualified as personal opinion.
Excellent! This makes everything easy to prove. Someone just needs to have a stroll over the Palmyra Cumorah with a metal detector and find all those steel artifacts (I wonder why no one has done this before?).
Chariots and swords must be bursting out of the earth with such a big battle located there. Hundreds of thousands of human bones must be in close association. Think of the DNA evidence that would surely be available to prove the "Jewish" connection.
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true" Twain.
Runtu wrote:That is correct. The only non-New York assertions have been qualified as personal opinion.
And we have seen how the personal opinions of church school teachers have worked hard to override the New York Cumorah. But they have no authority to speak for the church and represent Jesus or an apostle of the Lamb through the Spirit, i.e., Joseph Fielding Smith.
BYU teachers kick against the Cumorah pricks! But they ain't gonna get their way.
Quasimodo wrote:Excellent! This makes everything easy to prove. Someone just needs to have a stroll over the Palmyra Cumorah with a metal detector and find all those steel artifacts (I wonder why no one has done this before?).
Chariots and swords must be bursting out of the earth with such a big battle located there. Hundreds of thousands of human bones must be in close association. Think of the DNA evidence that would surely be available to prove the "Jewish" connection.
As a former apologist I used to assert that Heavenly Father raked the land clean of all the debri and took up the remains unto himself for safe keeping. I used to say that all the evidence was taken away by our Heavenly Father so that his saints could continue to walk by faith without being handed a mountain full of evidence -- hence their purpose is to have faith and not proof.
So you see, Heavenly Father took it all away so that faith might abound in the earth!
I was a damn good apologist back in the day . . . .
Even today I could get up at any Mormon pulpit and quote Joseph Fielding Smith and add my testimony about the one true Cumorah and then sit down with many smiles from the pews and a gentle sweet nod from the bishop. That would be the safe way to do it.
But to get up at the pulpit and quote an apologist and the idea that the real Cumorah is down in South America would draw the ire of many a saint sitting in those pews. It would be some time before being granted the priviledge to speak again in sacrament meeting.
And I don't care what DCP says. He's just a BYU school teacher with a chip on his shoulder.
Heck, the great Joseph Fielding Smith trumped the hell out of David O McKay! So there, DCP. Your McKay was off his rocker!