Racist Book of Mormon Stories - Refuting the Mopologists

[Guest]

So when Spencer W Kimball confirmed that the darkies were turning into lighties through righteousness, just like in the Book of Mormon, literally before his very eyes, you are saying he lied?

No, he was speaking of intermarriage and cultural interchange that would occur as the gospel spread in the Latter Days. I know that intermarriage and cultural blending, syncretism, and heterodoxy of this kind is anathema to the present doctrine of multiculturalism, but it is what the Church appers to have long taught.

And when the youth of today are counseled not to marry a partner of a different race that's not apartheid style thinking?

The last time I heard that counsel given was in the late seventies. It was, and still is, good council, under certain circumstances and for a number of potential reasons having nothing to do with race (and it doesn't, by the way), but not for the same reasons it was once taught in a past cultural setting. Culture and even subcultural background can be salient features of a decision to marry, as one never only marries a spouse, but that spouse's family (and vice versa).

[_Runtu]

The last time I hears that counsel given was in the late seventies. It was, and still is, good council, under certain circumstances and for a number of potential reasons having nothing to do with race (and it doesn't, by the way), but not for the same reasons it was once taught in a past cultural setting.

Last time I heard it was when the current Aaronic Priesthood manual was used in a deacons quorum lesson my son attended last year. It's an outdated teaching for a number of reasons, but it, like The Dude, abides.

[_Droopy]

I just find it odd that God, the Father of all humans, would adopt a man-made construct, such as race, by which to categorize His children.

Yes, why didn't he just create one, single, unitary morphological category, with little if any variation?

Could be that whole plan of salvation thing that's so hard for some to understand.

[_Equality]

How in the hell do you get this:

No, he was speaking of intermarriage and cultural interchange that would occur as the gospel spread in the Latter Days.

out of this:

The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation. At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter we represent, the little member girl—sixteen—sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather....

The mind boggles.

[Guest]

So when Spencer W Kimball confirmed that the darkies were turning into lighties through righteousness, just like in the Book of Mormon, literally before his very eyes, you are saying he lied?

No, he was speaking of intermarriage and cultural interchange that would occur as the gospel spread in the Latter Days. I know that intermarriage and cultural blending, syncretism, and heterodoxy of this kind is anathema to the present doctrine of multiculturalism, but it is what the Church appers to have long taught.

No he wasn't. I think Droopy must have missed the words of the great man himself. So I shall repeat them here:

I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today .... The day of the Lamanites is nigh. For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised. In this picture of the twenty Lamanite missionaries, fifteen of the twenty were as light as Anglos, five were darker but equally delightsome. The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation. At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter we represent, the little member girl—sixteen—sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness. One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

As the underlined portion shows, this great and wise man thought that church membership could lighten skin color, so that non-Mormons stayed dark and Mormons became white ... isn't it wonderful?

[_Runtu]

Yes, why didn't he just create one, single, unitary morphological category, with little if any variation?

Could be that whole plan of salvation thing that's so hard for some to understand.

It's the categories that are man-made, not the morphological differences (but you knew that). If it were all about body type, skin color, and physical appearance, we would not have just one "black" race. I have a hard time believing that God has so much trouble telling people apart that he must resort to man-made racial categories.

[_DarkHelmet]

I just find it odd that God, the Father of all humans, would adopt a man-made construct, such as race, by which to categorize His children.

Yes, why didn't he just create one, single, unitary morphological category, with little if any variation?

Could be that whole plan of salvation thing that's so hard for some to understand.

What does race have to do with the plan of salvation?

[_Droopy]

Last time I heard it was when the current Aaronic Priesthood manual was used in a deacons quorum lesson my son attended last year. It's an outdated teaching for a number of reasons, but it, like The Dude, abides.

Its not outdated in the slightest, except in the sense that one crossing clear ethnic boundaries at one time might have meant serious conflicts for the marriage, family, and children. In some contexts, this can still very much be the case, as with socioeconomic background and educational levels. Marriage, in the contemporary Left-dominated world, can be a crap shoot at its best, and there is no reason to add strain and stress where few societal supports remain in the general secular culture.

[_Runtu]

The mind boggles.

"It's not a lie if you believe it." --George Costanza

[_Darth J]

So when Spencer W Kimball confirmed that the darkies were turning into lighties through righteousness, just like in the Book of Mormon, literally before his very eyes, you are saying he lied?

No, he was speaking of intermarriage and cultural interchange that would occur as the gospel spread in the Latter Days. I know that intermarriage and cultural blending, syncretism, and heterodoxy of this kind is anathema to the present doctrine of multiculturalism, but it is what the Church appers to have long taught.

Obviously, a teenage girl turning a later skin color than her parents was the result of intermarriage. That's exactly what Spencer W. Kimball meant.

Oh, and cultural exchange. Cultural exchange changes what color people are, too. For example, I really liked rap music when I was in high school, which explains why I was black during a few of my teenage years.