subgenius wrote:With divine inspiration, the First Presidency (the prophet and his two counselors) and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (the second-highest governing body of the Church) counsel together to establish doctrine that is consistently proclaimed in official Church publications. This doctrine resides in the four “standard works” of scripture (the Holy Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price), official declarations and proclamations, and the Articles of Faith.brade wrote:Now suppose I were to say something like this:
Questions reside in Principia Mathematica.....Which is to say that if you want to find doctrine, then you should look in official Church publications; but not every element or group of elements within such publications is a case of doctrine. That seems quite sensible to me.
I am not disputing that, and considering that the above quoted "news release" qualifies the occurrence of doctrine as that which is "consistently proclaimed", i am not sure what point you are trying to make here. I mean to say, of course it seems sensible.
Again, i am not sure you understand what "doctrine" means and now i am not sure you understand what "resides in" means, with regards to this context.It consistent with standard rules of logic and common sense.
seeing as how those 2 ideas are often polar opposites, i can not see how any "rules" can be equated to consistently exist between the two...i can suppose rules for the former but not for the latter. Nevertheless, please, convey the specific rules you are referring to.What seems, well, less sensible is to say from the Newsroom statement, as you and subgenius seem to want to say that literally everything (e.g. declaratives, imperatives, interrogatives, etc.) in those publications is doctrine or expresses doctrine.
i have never said this nor claimed it, actually i have often stated that it is possible to find notions that are not necessarily doctrine within those publications.
That, on it's face seem quite absurd, and even more so given the very definition of doctrine that subgenius supplied.
I'm not trying to be tricky. I'm trying to be charitable.
just try to be coherent...baby steps
Here, subgenius, let me tell you what I think the Newsroom statements mean:
If you want to find Church doctrine, then look in official Church publications. That's where you'll find it.
Let me also add that I think that's a perfectly sensible view. Now, here's what I think it doesn't mean:
Everything published in official Church publications is doctrine.
So, let's restart for a second and will you please tell me if you disagree with my understanding of the Newsroom statement? I think if you'll slow down for a second you'll see that you and I agree on (1) what the Newsroom statement means, and (2) what is the meaning of 'doctrine'.