The 5 ways Joseph translated

[_why me]

How Oliver was apparently supposed to translate using his "gift of working with the rod":

D&C 9:5-10: "And, behold, it is because that you [Oliver Cowdery] did not continue as you commenced, when you began to translate, that I have taken away this privilege from you. ... Behold, you have not understood; you have supposed that I would give it unto you, when you took no thought save it was to ask me. But, behold, I say unto you, that you must study it out in your mind; then you must ask me if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you; therefore, you shall feel that it is right. But if it be not right you shall have no such feelings, but you shall have a stupor of thought that shall cause you to forget the thing which is wrong; therefore, you cannot write that which is sacred save it be given you from me. Now, if you had known this you could have translated; nevertheless, it is not expedient that you should translate now.

Considering the never-ending debate over how exactly the Book of Mormon was translated, D&C 9 is perhaps the biggest piece of evidence and for some reason the most overlooked by those on every side of the issue.

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Your post will be more or less overlooked by the critics. It does not fit into the limited world view.

[_Equality]

But the end result is basically that Oliver found the process amazing and wonderful.

You keep saying this as if it is somehow germane to the question of how the Book of Mormon was produced. It is not. I may find the piece of cake I just ate amazing and wonderful, but that doesn't tell anyone anything about how it was baked.

[_Joseph Antley]

That's because it doesn't make any sense at all. None. Not even a little bit.

Are you saying that Joseph Smith, who obviously had no knowledge whatsoever about what Reformed Egyptian characters meant, was supposed to look at these characters and try to figure out what they meant, and then ask God if what he'd come up with was correct?

Ok, so someone hands you a book written in Chinese (assuming you can't speak Chinese), do you think you could figure out what they meant, and then ask God for confirmation, and if he felt like helping you out, you could come up with sentences like "I, Nephi, having been born of goodly parents, therefor I was taught in all the learning of my fathers" or whatever the hell 1 Nephi starts out with?

Do you imagine that Joseph just opened a dictionary and started praying to God to ask whether the first character on the plates matched the first word, and then the second word, and on down until he found the right word? What about the proper names?

The only thing I'm saying is that even though everyone always says that Joseph himself never described the translation process, the words in D&C 9 describing how they translated came out of Joseph's mouth.

[_LDSToronto]

Well Oliver tried to translate using a divining rod, so maybe you could add that method?

Though I am not sure exactly how that would have worked.....

How Oliver was apparently supposed to translate using his "gift of working with the rod":

D&C 9:5-10: "And, behold, it is because that you [Oliver Cowdery] did not continue as you commenced, when you began to translate, that I have taken away this privilege from you. ... Behold, you have not understood; you have supposed that I would give it unto you, when you took no thought save it was to ask me. But, behold, I say unto you, that you must study it out in your mind; then you must ask me if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you; therefore, you shall feel that it is right. But if it be not right you shall have no such feelings, but you shall have a stupor of thought that shall cause you to forget the thing which is wrong; therefore, you cannot write that which is sacred save it be given you from me. Now, if you had known this you could have translated; nevertheless, it is not expedient that you should translate now.

Considering the never-ending debate over how exactly the Book of Mormon was translated, D&C 9 is perhaps the biggest piece of evidence and for some reason the most overlooked by those on every side of the issue.

This is sloppy work, Young Antley.

H.

[_ldsfaqs]

Here's a little "truth" for you Obiwan, as what you call "quote mining" is actually acknowledging the facts...

....various quotes....

Hey thews..... Why don't you read the link I posted which gives all the known accounts of the translation process.

Facts can be used to LIE buddy, just like you just do, completely ignoring the facts in my post/link which debunk your bearing false witness.

According to all known accounts, the head in hat was only a secondary or third method, not the main method.
Just because you quote SOME accounts/facts of the head in hat, of the MANY times the translation occurred doesn't mean you are telling the actual truth. It's called a "half-truth" you devil worshiper! :(

[_ldsfaqs]

Hey, ldsfuq, there is a 16-page thread on this still going. And you are spouting the same falsehoods without supporting evidence here that you spout there. Telling lies and then calling the people who provide actual facts and evidence, with references, liars (no, wait, LIARS) is not just bad form, it makes you look like you are completely unhinged.

Are you mentally disabled....? Must be since you're an anti-mormon and state such a clear lie as the above statement.

If you actually had a brain and used it, you would have read the REST OF MY POST (instead of only seeing the word "lie"), the content AND the link which entirely debunks the anti-mormon claim WITH THE EVIDENCE contrary to your LIE....

But what's knew with anti-mormons and liberals. You see only what you want to see, not the actual truth and facts. I gave the EVIDENCE in my post, and in the link which supported my post. I didn't simply call you idiots liars, I gave the evidence of it! FIGGING LIARS!!! :(

[_Joseph Antley]

This is sloppy work, Young Antley.

H.

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[_zeezrom]

Ldsfaqs,

Have you ever tried putting a rock in a hat, sticking your face in it, then reading letters off the rock? Just curious why you haven't, if you haven't. If you haven't, I challenge you to try. Here's a deal. I'll read Moroni 10:3-5 and pray about the book if you try the hat thing with real intent, then return, and report.

Thank you,

Zee.

[_Darth J]

Are you mentally disabled....? Must be since you're an anti-mormon and state such a clear lie as the above statement.

If you actually had a brain and used it, you would have read the REST OF MY POST (instead of only seeing the word "lie"), the content AND the link which entirely debunks the anti-mormon claim WITH THE EVIDENCE contrary to your LIE....

But what's knew with anti-mormons and liberals. You see only what you want to see, not the actual truth and facts. I gave the EVIDENCE in my post, and in the link which supported my post. I didn't simply call you idiots liars, I gave the evidence of it! FIGGING LIARS!!! :(

Many Bible commentators have suggested that the four Gospels were written for different audiences. I think online defenders of the faith are the same way. There is a specific audience that can relate to each posting style of internet Mormons.

So, if you happen to be a struggling member of the Church who has borderline personality disorder, you are in luck.

[_Drifting]

You see only what you want to see, not the actual truth and facts.

I'm going to start charging you for replacement irony meters...