Male Mormons, Ex-Mormons, and Non-Mormons.

[_Jersey Girl]

I would like to point out that Mr. Will Schryver never did what Cam just did in the previous post.

I would like to point out that the last time Cam issued an apology to a female poster, he did so in an attempt to legitimize his criticisms of Will.

Sorry, not buying it.

[_marg]

Please let's not make this about Cam's apology... Jersey Girl. He didn't bring up "piss-flaps" nor was he the one to bring up "in real life information"..that was Jack in her response to some video he posted which he said she supports or something to that effect. It was after her comment that he commented on her marriage and husband and the posts were in telestial where such comments are allowed.

The problem is that Ms Jack is likely more bothered with Cam's remarks remaining than whether his apology is sincere or not. This is also not simply about harassment, because many on this board have no qualms with harassment and from my perspective that includes Stak who initiated this thread and Ms. Jack..who recently badgered me in her support of EA and Stak who both have been on an attack campaign towards me.

So what Ms jack's issue boils down to is that the moderation of moving posts to telestial but still keeping the comments which have disparaged her family or marital relationship ...will not remedy or protect her in the future from it happening and perhaps the comments getting worse. I know that if I was posting on here with my real name, I'd be pissed off at anyone who would insult my husband or comment on my marriage..when I know family, friends might read the board. And it certainly would put me off from posting here.

[_Yoda]

I would like to point out that Mr. Will Schryver never did what Cam just did in the previous post.

I would like to point out that the last time Cam issued an apology to a female poster, he did so in an attempt to legitimize his criticisms of Will.

Sorry, not buying it.

Actually, the last public apology that Cam made was to me. Since he apologized for his treatment of me, he has not verbally attacked me.

[_Yoda]

You bring up some really good points, Marg. We would need to adjust the rules, but I think this is something that the Moderating Team should discuss.

Briefly I'm going to comment on what I see is the main problem for Ms. Jack. When someone posts in real life information on here (comments about what transpired in discussions off the board, or information about a person) that information if it's not been on this board and the poster involved doesn't want it on this board..gets deleted. I won't get into the justification for it.

Ms. Jack's real name to my understanding is well known to many people on this board. When someone on here says anything about her family, or about her marriage it can get back to her family and friends. And that can be problematic for her in ways we may not foresee. So attacks on her family, friends should also get deleted by moderation...because in essence they can affect her real life relationships. So it's not good enough remedy, to simply move attacks on her family, friends, her marriage to telestial. People known on here by their real names require a bit more protection than people anonymous...in my opinion.

[_LDSToronto]

I think Cam deserves a kick in the nuts. If he has just driven away one of my favourite posters on this board, I will gladly pay to fly to whichever geography he is in and do it myself.

"Sorry" doesn't fix everything, nor should it. "Sorry" is for one-offs; "Sorry, Jersey Girl, for getting so mad about that post" or "Sorry, MsJack, for that dumb thing I said". "Sorry" doesn't work for a pattern of misogyny and hatred.

H.

[_honorentheos]

One comment - In reading the thread linked to in the OP, I was impressed with Liz's behavior and moderation style.

+100 Liz.

[_Shulem]

Cam, you can at times be a prick. Your apology better be for real. Quit being nasty with the girls when they don't like it. Knock it off.

Jesus.

Paul O

[_Chap]

All right. I'll tap out. My apologies for being the Atheist William Schryver. I take issues with her ideological stance and her online activities, but I gotcha. I've been a poop. Take care, MDB.

- DRC

I hate to make a choice between Doctor CamNC4Me leaving voluntarily or MsJack leaving voluntarily.

But if I was forced to make a choice, I would ask myself who I would miss the most, and I am afraid that although there are some good things about Doctor CamNC4Me, he would be the one I would hope to see withdraw.

Also, in making the choice, I'd ask myself who was the one who caused the trouble by completely unwarranted personal attacks and posting online in real life information. That wasn't MsJack.

Real regret on the part of Doctor CamNC4Me might be evidenced if he chose to notify us that he was about to withdraw for a while.

by the way, could we all stop using what I find to be a really unpleasant anatomical expression beginning with 'p' in Terrestrial?

[_Shulem]

by the way, could we all stop using what I find to be a really unpleasant anatomical expression beginning with 'p' in Terrestrial?

Oh please, spare me. I wasn't even thinking about anatomical things when using the 'p' word, yet you were. Interesting to say the least.

A PRICK is someone who pricks someone like with a pin or some sharp object or, a mean statement.

Paul O

[_Yoda]

One comment - In reading the thread linked to in the OP, I was impressed with Liz's behavior and moderation style.

+100 Liz.

Thanks, Honor. :-) I appreciate that.

I would like to say that I hope we can retain the membership of both posters.

My hope is that we can put this incident behind us.

There is a lot of merit to what Marg has to say regarding personal attacks to family of posters who choose to reveal themselves in real life. I don't know exactly how far we can go to protect posters, but I would hope that all of us, as members of the community here, would try and be respectful to others. Personally, if it were my board, I would make it a hard and fast rule that no personal attacks toward ANY poster family members should be allowed...PERIOD.....NO EXCEPTIONS.

I just think it is in really bad form, and has no place in mature discussion among adults. Like Ms. Jack, I live by the notion that you can say what you want about me, but you better damned well leave my family out of it.

These are all things that Shades will need to take into consideration and decide how he wants to handle it...or if he feels that leaving things as they are is the best route.