Why did Brigham Young believe Adam was God?

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Re: Why did Brigham Young believe Adam was God?

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Here is a message I posted in March 2011.


When you are ready to address the quotes I gave which are alluded to in your own post, let me know. It is impossible to reconcile them with the others with an Adam God frame of mind.
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Re: Why did Brigham Young believe Adam was God?

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bcspace wrote:And after this description of Adam (Jr), there are more ellipses and we go back to what happenrd to Adam Sr, the father of Jesus (and also Adam Jr. who is Michael). Adam Sr/Jr is quite plainly manifest here.


What description of Adam Jr? So now according to BC do we not only have 2 Cumorah's to debate about we have 2 Adams.

Whole clothe conjecture. I can invent some also.

After the creation but before the fall Adam rode about the garden on a flying pink unicorn, said unicorn defecated gold. It was because of this unicorn that the land of Havilah was full of gold.
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Re: Why did Brigham Young believe Adam was God?

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bcspace wrote:
Here is a message I posted in March 2011.


When you are ready to address the quotes I gave which are alluded to in your own post, let me know. It is impossible to reconcile them with the others with an Adam God frame of mind.


The quotes from the Millenial Star teaching the Adam-God doctrine cannot be reconciled with belief in the Adam-God doctrine........
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bcspace wrote:
Here is a message I posted in March 2011.


When you are ready to address the quotes I gave which are alluded to in your own post, let me know. It is impossible to reconcile them with the others with an Adam God frame of mind.


And he also teaches that Adam is the father of Jesus, and that Adam is the only God with whom we have any to do.

So what is your point? Oh yeah, what BY teaches is inconsistent with current teachings...... Imagine that. You are making 1/2 of our point for us.

BC's logic here is also a prime example of the Chewbacca defense.
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Re: Why did Brigham Young believe Adam was God?

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bcspace wrote:
Can't ignore Adam Sr because the evidence for it is too strong. So no, Adam-God never was doctrine.



Adam Senior is hooey. Very few Apologists even buy into it. One really has to twist and turn and be intellectually dishonest to make it work.


And yes it BY taught it as official. His teachings about this landed both in the Millenial Star and the Deseret News, both official Church publications. On top of that it was taught as part of the lecture at the veil in the St George temple. Are you going to argue something taught in the temple is not official doctrine?

just admit it BC. BY taught Adam was our God, that he was exalted before he came to this earth having lived a previous earth life. He and one of his wives came here, ate of this earths food and became mortal again. And all of us are his spirirt children. BY taught it and he said nothing about Adam senior and Adam Jr.
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Jason Bourne wrote:
bcspace wrote:
Can't ignore Adam Sr because the evidence for it is too strong. So no, Adam-God never was doctrine.



Adam Senior is hooey. Very few Apologists even buy into it. One really has to twist and turn and be intellectually dishonest to make it work.


And yes it BY taught it as official. His teachings about this landed both in the Millenial Star and the Deseret News, both official Church publications. On top of that it was taught as part of the lecture at the veil in the St George temple. Are you going to argue something taught in the temple is not official doctrine?

just admit it BC. BY taught Adam was our God, that he was exalted before he came to this earth having lived a previous earth life. He and one of his wives came here, ate of this earths food and became mortal again. And all of us are his spirirt children. BY taught it and he said nothing about Adam senior and Adam Jr.

Jason, the facts are no deterrent to bcspace.
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Re: Why did Brigham Young believe Adam was God?

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"Why did Brigham Young believe Adam was God?"

I believe that the following is the reason why Brigham Young believed that Adam was God:


How Could Young Come Up With Such an Idea?


It may surprise some, but Brigham Young's Adam-God connection is in harmony with the teachings of Joseph Smith. It was Joseph Smith who declared that Adam was, in fact, the Ancient of Days. Doctrine and Covenants 27:11; 116:1; 138:38 all state that Adam is the Ancient of Days.

Joseph Smith even attempted to get the Bible to concur with this thought when he said, "Daniel in his seventh chapter speaks of the Ancient of Days, he means the oldest man, our Father Adam..." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 157). Smith was referring to Daniel 7:13 which reads, "I saw the night visions, and behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of Days and they brought him near before him."

In order to properly interpret Daniel we must compare it to a similar account given in Revelation chapter five. Here we find the lamb as it had been slain, Jesus Christ, approaching the one who sits on the throne and takes the seals of judgment. Since John 5:22 states that it is the Father who has committed all judgment unto the Son, a proper understanding of this passage would conclude that it is God the Father, not Adam, who sits on the throne. If Mormons choose to insist that it is Adam sitting on the throne, they are, in fact, equating Adam to God. According to Joseph Smith, Brigham was right!



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And after this description of Adam (Jr), there are more ellipses and we go back to what happenrd to Adam Sr, the father of Jesus (and also Adam Jr. who is Michael). Adam Sr/Jr is quite plainly manifest here.

What description of Adam Jr


From Nutall's summary of additions made to the LaV by BY.
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When you are ready to address the quotes I gave which are alluded to in your own post, let me know. It is impossible to reconcile them with the others with an Adam God frame of mind.

The quotes from the Millenial Star teaching the Adam-God doctrine cannot be reconciled with belief in the Adam-God doctrine........


Only if not taken by themselves.
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When you are ready to address the quotes I gave which are alluded to in your own post, let me know. It is impossible to reconcile them with the others with an Adam God frame of mind.

And he also teaches that Adam is the father of Jesus, and that Adam is the only God with whom we have any to do.


Yes, that is the same Adam (Sr) who is the Father of our spirits and who coming to earth, partook of the physical fruits so as to produce with his wife, the physical bodies of the Adam (Jr) and Eve who partook of the forbidden fruit. Adam being a name title in the former case.

Jason, the facts are no deterrent to bcspace.


Yes. they actually help my case as opposed to yours.
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