Why does it matter if Joseph had relations with his wives

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Re: Why does it matter if Joseph had relations with his wive

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ldsfaqs wrote:Joseph only "hid" some of the marriages during the initial period in which Emma was still learning and trying to understand it.


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Stormy Waters wrote:
ldsfaqs wrote:First, Joseph only married THREE people if I'm remembering right under 18, out of some 30 marriages. I don't call that much of a pedophile, similar to Warren Jeffs. Further, it is clear that most of his marriages were absolutely SEALING ONLY, especially when that what everyone knew and said, and he married other mens wives also, by sealing only.


So how many girls under 18 does one have to marry to be considered a pedophile?


Marriages of those under 18 were COMMON back then..... Further, they were sealings, not Polygamous marriages.
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Faqs, do you understand the concept of average? Add up all the ages, divide by the sample size.
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Re: Why does it matter if Joseph had relations with his wive

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ldsfaqs wrote:Polygamy is about pure love of Christ, not sex.

Yea, Jesus needs those he speaks with to get extra tail. It was something he spoke of often in the New Testament.
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So it all comes down to testimony of this Church as God's work and therefore it does not matter if Joseph Smith had sex with his wives or not. Critics start with things like plural marriage as if it were the foundation and ignore the actual foundation this is all built on.

And such a testimony would (as I suspect most are) facile if one has not plumbed and sorted these issues out.


Not at all. It merely depends on where you start when plumbing the depths. I've sorted these issues out and my faith has not been shaken and the same can be said for many others I know.

Yea, Jesus needs those he speaks with to get extra tail. It was something he spoke of often in the New Testament.


It was actually something he authorized in 2 Samuel 12.
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ldsfaqs wrote:Joseph only "hid" some of the marriages during the initial period in which Emma was still learning and trying to understand it. He did so out of respect for her feelings.


So says many an adulterer.
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So it all comes down to testimony of this Church as God's work and therefore it does not matter if Joseph Smith had sex with his wives or not. Critics start with things like plural marriage as if it were the foundation and ignore the actual foundation this is all built on.

And such a testimony would (as I suspect most are) facile if one has not plumbed and sorted these issues out.
bcspace wrote:
Not at all. It merely depends on where you start when plumbing the depths. I've sorted these issues out and my faith has not been shaken and the same can be said for many others I know.

Yea, Jesus needs those he speaks with to get extra tail. It was something he spoke of often in the New Testament.


It was actually something he authorized in 2 Samuel 12.

Was that angry Jesus, god of the Old Testament, or nice Jesus of New Testament?
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Re: Why does it matter if Joseph had relations with his wive

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ldsfaq, can you explain your theory of how what Joseph was doing(sealings) relates to seciton 132 and what became the norm for Mormon polygamy after his death?

Bcspace, I would like to hear your theory too, how do you put all that together?
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ldsfaqs wrote:Marriages of those under 18 were COMMON back then..... Further, they were sealings, not Polygamous marriages.

I'll tell my friend who cheats on his TBM wife to just call his relationship with the girlfriend a "sealing" and that the TBM wife will thus buy it, right?

Semantics.
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Re: Why does it matter if Joseph had relations with his wive

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bcspace wrote:
Combine that with "best buddies with a known abortionist."


Doesn't seem to be the case.


Does seem to be the case.
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