That's one possibility. For example, if everywhere was the Garden state, to what were Adam and Eve cast out into?
It's internally inconsistent, I'll give you that.
How so?
How so when you have deus ex machina? And what if the state of no death applies only to certain species or perhaps just one? Doesn't matter. Everywhere you turn, evolution swims with LDS doctrine.
A deus ex machina is a sure indicator that what you're dealing with is a lazy fiction writer.
No, it simply means you have to deal with God in the machine.
So you consider your theories deus ex machina? I mean, I totally agree with you, I'm just surprised to see you being so candid.
No I don't. It's simply the language of atheists to whom I seem to be talking. To them it's fiction, but they erroneously assume I'm arguing to fit with science only.
This morning I woke up at zero-dark-thirty, and as usual, with bleary eyes checked in on the board here before fortifying myself with a cup of yummy mountain roast mocha. (One of the many benefits of rational living is that you can weigh the benefits and risks of things like coffee and tea based on facts instead of religious fantasy. Anyway, I digress).
I had scrambled eggs and orange juice.
I felt extremely grateful for having left the Church and being able to live life based on evidence and truth rather than always trying to deny, distort, or disregard science and scientific fact in favor of religion.
I thank God everyday I live in the real world and not your delusional fantasy.
What's really funny is that since the world appears to have been created through entirely naturalistic processes, BCSpace goes with that, but in order to jive with Mormon teaching on the subject, he has to introduce a miraculous process so out of line with naturalistic processes that it begs the question why naturalistic processes were so necessary in the first place.
What's funny is that I state up front I have an hypothesis that enables evolution and LDS doctrine to swim without conflict and you act as if you just discovered that detail.
If God at some point was going to snap his fingers in some colossal magic trick, why did he bother using natural processes in the first place?
What if God can only use "naturalistic" processes and He has some that are unknown to us?
And now, behold, if Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen, but he would have remained in the garden of Eden. And all things which were created must have remained in the same state in which they were after they were created; and they must have remained forever, and had no end.
BCSpace argues that the deathless state only obtained after things were created, but during the creation process, it's game on.
Yes thank you.
This is destroyed, however, by pointing out that it refers to all things which were created, and it's inarguably true that almost everything that ever lived on earth lived and died, along with most of their entire species, prior to any reasonable Biblical timeframe for the Garden of Eden.
How does referring to all things destroy my hypothesis? The creation is not finished until everything has evolved to where God wants them to be AND the earth itself is in the right condition. If I place the Fall at the beginning of the first civilization, I am less than one order of magnitude from the traditional date. In addition, it is not implausible for the Church to assume the traditional date as there has not been specific revelation on the subject, even in the scriptures.
Also 'horses' doesn't mean horses.
Nope. In the Book of Mormon context, a horse is a horse.
DrW, from your first post, I've suspected you are brilliant. Now I know it.
I think he's trapped in the Matrix