The FLOOD of NOAH did happen, but not as the Church teaches

[_Shulem]

According to officially published Church content, bcspace is apostate on this.

Yes. I have always said I'm about 95% TBM..

No you're not. Don't even try to BS me. You're a about 5% TBM. I, was a TBM and a chapel Mormon, unlike you. My family LDS church roots go back to 1831. You, are apostate in every way, bcspace. Had you expressed your ideas in church at any of my past wards you would have met my displeasure and they would have hung you on the pole where you would not pray or teach. You are a cancer in chapel Mormonism. Joseph Fielding Smith would NOT have like you one bit.

Paul O

[_Nightlion]

Nightlion,
The anchors are still around. Google: "anchors of Noah's ark" to see them.

What about this testing of these anchors you say, they call Drogue Stones are proposed as an ingenious technology for stabilization weights Noah cut loose near Ararat instead?

[_moksha]

My guess is that stories of immense floods were around in oral tradition long before being recorded in the Epic of Gilgamesh. Even before stories of the sun disappearing and being brought back through some intervention.

[_bcspace]

Yes. I have always said I'm about 95% TBM..

No you're not. Don't even try to BS me. You're a about 5% TBM. I, was a TBM and a chapel Mormon, unlike you. My family LDS church roots go back to 1831. You, are apostate in every way, bcspace. Had you expressed your ideas in church at any of my past wards you would have met my displeasure and they would have hung you on the pole where you would not pray or teach. You are a cancer in chapel Mormonism. Joseph Fielding Smith would NOT have like you one bit.

Well let's see. Here is a list of doctrines I don't accept:

1. Global Flood.
2. By extension, the earth being baptized in the Flood.
3. The Garden of Eden in Missouri. I actually have no problem with the garden having been in Missouri, I just don't accept the scriptural explaination of it because the verses used really only state where Adam met with his children just before he died, some 900 years after the Fall.
4. Card playing is bad.

List of policies I don't/didn't accept:

1. Opposition to MX missile basing in Utah.
2. Opposition to nuclear waste in Utah.
3. Smaller wards (actually 50/50 on this one).

That's about all I can think of at the moment, so yes, I'd say 95% TBM if not more.

[_Shulem]

That's about all I can think of at the moment, so yes, I'd say 95% TBM if not more.

You need to be a 100% TBM in order to be a real TBM. You're just not there, bcspace. Just imagine going to church and sitting in the pew saying to yourself, "I'm a 100% TBM". All you have to do is turn your brain off and let the church leaders feed you with whatever garbage comes out of their mouths. Isn't it wonderful to have church leaders speak out on so many issues? You don't have to think. The've done that for you.

Paul O

[_Morley]

Well let's see. Here is a list of doctrines I don't accept:

1. Global Flood.
2. By extension, the earth being baptized in the Flood.
3. The Garden of Eden in Missouri. I actually have no problem with the garden having been in Missouri, I just don't accept the scriptural explaination of it because the verses used really only state where Adam met with his children just before he died, some 900 years after the Fall.
4. Card playing is bad.

List of policies I don't/didn't accept:

1. Opposition to MX missile basing in Utah.
2. Opposition to nuclear waste in Utah.
3. Smaller wards (actually 50/50 on this one).

That's about all I can think of at the moment, so yes, I'd say 95% TBM if not more.

I believe that you also posit that we may not all be literal descendants of Adam and Eve. And that the continents may have not split post Eden. Where are you on talking donkeys or the sun being stopped in the sky?

[_Shulem]

I believe that you also posit that we may not all be literal descendants of Adam and Eve. And that the continents may have not split post Eden. Where are you on talking donkeys or the sun being stopped in the sky?

And all those wonderful animals on the ark made by a 600 year old man and his three sons. What a joke! It's a fairy tale straight from the book of fairy tales, the Bible.

And how about Jonah being swallowed up by a giant fish? Do you believe that tall tale too, bcspace?

How about Abraham getting ready to thrust a sharp blade right into his dear son's flesh and bleed him like a stuffed pig for jehovah-god? Do you believe that one too?

And, what about Jesus who said it was OK to eat with unwashed hands, even after taking a bathroom break, I suppose. Do you eat with unwashed hands after you go to the bathroom -- cuzz Jesus said it won't defile you. I suspect his followers didn't wash their germy hands much because of that unscientific teaching. Jesus didn't know a damn thing about germs. He was ignorant and led many people to a germy death full of bacteria and other little things that crawl about.

Paul O

[_Daheshist]

They could have easily just got across the hill and labored to build a great barn for all that. Why float? Tell me about the doves Darrick.

Taike a look at some photos of the Valley of Ararat. All the hills are lava flows which are pointed downward. They would have turned to mud flows. The Ark would have acted as a "break" to the mud; which means the mud would have built up behind it until it toppled it over.

There are no flat level hills in the valley of Ararat. One would have to built very high up. Then you have the problem of taking the wood up several thousand feet, plus workers, plus animals, plus water, every day, for years. It is easier just to build the Ark where the water, workers, animals, food, and timber are: on the flat level ground, and float it. And that's what they did.

[_Nightlion]

Nightlion,
The anchors are still around. Google: "anchors of Noah's ark" to see them.

What about this testing of these anchors you say, they call Drogue Stones are proposed as an ingenious technology for stabilization weights Noah cut loose near Ararat instead?

[_Daheshist]

As a young Mormon I was told, repeatedly, that I HAD TO believe that Adam was the first human, Eve was made from a rib, that there was no death (not even the fruit that Adam and Eve ate) before the Fall, that Noah's flood was universal and baptized the Earth by total immersion, blacks had been less valiant in the War in Heaven, but God has "shown mercy" to them and now allowed them the Priesthood, etc.

And, I HATE to admit this now, I once believed all that absurd ridiculous horse crap! I figured I HAD to believe that, because "Prophets of God" taught it as ETERNAL TRUTH.

Basically, I was FOOLED by FOOLS...by arrogant, self-righteous, condescending, IGNORANT men, who DEMANDED I believe as they did. Men who believed that, a Gods, they would have many wives and also BEGET saviors with their most beautiful spirit-daughters. SICK men!!! ARROGANT MEN. UTTER.....DISGUSTING.....FOOLS. But, they were much older than me, and they "knew" Mormonism and I did not. So, I figured I HAD to believe it if I wanted to be a Mormon.

I understand now, I was DUPED. FOOLED. I was a fool following other fools...but no longer.

NOAH LIVING TO BE 600 plus years....against science.

Answer:

That refers to Moons, not solar or lunar years. The ancient counted by "Moons" as years, then by "Seasons" and only later by lunar then solar years. In the time of Moses, they counted seasons (harvests). Moses lived to 120 harvests (i.e. 60 years). Noah lived over 600 "years" means over 600 moons, or about 56; the usual age a man died in his time.

You've got the wrong church Darrick. Perhaps it is the FLDS you want to rail against.