Would the real Boyd Packer please stand up?

[_LDSToronto]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqguTJr0kXs

Classic!

[_harmony]

Long live Pres Monson. At least he doesn't have a million dollar estate built and supported by tithing.

[_Shulem]

Long live Pres Monson. At least he doesn't have a million dollar estate built and supported by tithing.

But you have no idea what kind of financial portfolios the man owns. For all we know he's made out a lot better than Boy-boy ever did! For all we know Monson-boy has amassed a fortune and it's all tied up in his undisclosed financial war chests.

I think all the apostles do quite well. They control the church purse strings. I'll bet Monson lives deliciously and I'll bet his offspring live deliciously too. Do you think Monson or Packer go hungry or worries about bills? Nope. Everything has been paid for in advance. They live off the people for preaching Joe Smith's new gospel.

Paul O

[_Darth J]

For the sake of my family still inside the church, I hope that he does not become the next prophet.

I hope he does. If for no other reason to see the absolute despair that will overtake the liberal, Sunstone, and Bloggernacle Mormons who have written off Boyd and his teachings for years because he wasn't the prophet.

This would be one of the best story arcs so far in the sitcom known as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

I'm still a little hazy as to whom exactly the liberal/Sunstone/Bloggernacle Mormons fantasize is like them among the Quorum of the Twelve and/or First Presidency.

[_Shulem]

Oh by the way, regarding Elder Packer, he recently talked at a 100 anniversary celebration of the seminary program. He once again alluded that we are no born with same sex feelings because that would destroy agency..

I wish that dumb ass would really make it official and utter a "Thus saith the Lord" and print it in a proclamation to the world so that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints can be further rubbed into the dirty lies in which it was born.

Anyway, I know of a surity that the man is dead wrong. I hope he dies in a fire or something horrible. He's really a cruel bastard. I hate him. I offer no Christian charity for what I think of Packer-boy. I hope he dies a horrible death. And if that makes me a bad person, so be it. It's worth it to me.

Paul O

[_Aristotle Smith]

I'm still a little hazy as to whom exactly the liberal/Sunstone/Bloggernacle Mormons fantasize is like them among the Quorum of the Twelve and/or First Presidency.

Holland used to be the poster child for good behavior amongst those groups. While they still like him, that Book of Mormon talk a little while back really reduced his fan base. For some reason people who treat the Book of Mormon as non-historical didn't like him asserting it was, go figure.

Now it seems Uchtdorf is the favorite. Not because he has actually said anything that agrees with those groups, but because he limits himself to generic Christianity in his talks.

[_LDSToronto]

I'm still a little hazy as to whom exactly the liberal/Sunstone/Bloggernacle Mormons fantasize is like them among the Quorum of the Twelve and/or First Presidency.

Holland used to be the poster child for good behavior amongst those groups. While they still like him, that Book of Mormon talk a little while back really reduced his fan base. For some reason people who treat the Book of Mormon as non-historical didn't like him asserting it was, go figure.

Now it seems Uchtdorf is the favorite. Not because he has actually said anything that agrees with those groups, but because he limits himself to generic Christianity in his talks.

And he soaks many a girl-garment.

H.

[_Morley]

And he soaks many a girl-garment.

H.

Oh Lord. A viscous textile now wedged in my brain.

[_Joe Geisner]

How is what he says any different from what Monson, Hinckley, Benson, Kimball said before him? Have they ever said anything to make you think they disagree wit Packer on the points he made yesterday that LDSToronto quoted above?

I think this is an excellent observation. As I have researched Packer's talks, it is clear that most of the controversial talks were assignments from his superiors.

[_Joe Geisner]

This talk is strange on many levels. It seems to be a shot gun effect, he is all over the place with his thoughts. I have to wonder if he knows his time is short and wants to cover all his pet projects. At the same time I hear Helen Whitney's words to me when she said that her interview with Packer was very difficult because he was for the most part incomprehensible. Is his faculties going?

This talk also is exclusive. I found no inclusive language. Though you could say that about most of Packer's talks.

In the third paragraph he seems to be taking a shot over Marlin Jensen's bow again: "we are never afraid of the progress of the Church"

His certitude is unmistakable: "no holder of the priesthood would in any way depreciate or mitigate the value and power of his wife"

In countering women who have asked about women not being allowed to hold the priesthood, he seems to want to place all the blame on the woman: "When I hear those comments that the sisters are less than the brethren, I wish that they could see inside the heart of every worthy holder of the priesthood and understand how he feels about his wife, the mother of his children—a reverence, not quite worship but a kind of worship, a respect for the companion in life that causes it to be that he can be exalted ultimately."

Packer knows better then this, unless he has dementia. Otherwise he still holds his teaching that you don't tell the truth in history: "The Word of Wisdom was given at a time when the dangers of tea and coffee, liquor and tobacco, and all those things were not known."

Is there any Seventy left in the Church? I believe the men in local wards (1986) had been ordained a high priest, died off or left the church. All GA Seventy are ordained High Priest. Or was Packer having a memory lapse and thinking there are still local seventy? "an elder is not released, and a high priest is not released, and a Seventy is not released."

His children, not hers? : "to treat my wife with that respect and reverence that is due her in performing that thing that is of most worth for a woman in this life to live the gospel, to be the wife and the mother of the children of a worthy holder of the priesthood."

Another shot over Jensen's bow? "The Church is growing very rapidly"

Does God not shed a tear over his children's tragedies, sorrows and misery? Or does he only care about "our disobedience and mistakes?"
"He rejoices at our happiness and, I am sure, sheds tears for our disobedience and mistakes."