brade wrote:Will somebody please organize a flash mob across BYU's campus of women and men clearly violating the honor code?
You mean, assemble a large group of guys on short notice who haven't shaved in two or three days?
I still recall, with some amusement, having to go to the little shopette on the side of the Bookstore to buy a disposable razor one late afternoon, after being refused at the testing center because I hadn't shaved in a couple of days. And I'm blond, so it was hardly even noticeable.
Mormonism ceased being a compelling topic for me when I finally came to terms with its transformation from a personality cult into a combination of a real estate company, a SuperPac, and Westboro Baptist Church. - Kishkumen
sock puppet wrote:They don't encourage BYU students/members to point out to other BYU students/members when that other is doing something 'wrong'? To help the other get back in line?
Not really. The Honor Code states that a responsibility is to "Encourage others in their commitment to comply with the Honor Code," but I don't think I've ever heard an administrator actually address the issue or insist this means telling people that they're doing it wrong. It's always the more zealous and the younger students that emphasize it and interpret it for everyone, not the admin.
It seemed to me that Mary Keller was lamenting that more students do not 'encourage others'.
Mary Keller wrote:I’m tired of people not being able to saying anything about others not living up to the standards in the honor code that they signed and agreed to live.
Remove yourself from north america and you'd be surprised how ridiculous the whole thing looks.
Once so removed, one finds a lot of countries in which the age of consent is low and so is the value placed on chastity before marriage is even less. It is more than obvious that a reduced sense of modesty detracts from that value.
The thing is, BYU set the standard and this girl broke the rules. People like Mary Keller are simply supporting BYU's right to set standards. You need to decide if you will stand for righteousness, or stand with the world and mock the standards set by BYU. As a critic, I can stand and mock the standards, but if I was a TBM, I would be forced to support the BYU honor code and make comments similar to what Mary Keller said. As a TBM, you really have no right to criticize the rules.
No one is forced. The fact of the matter is that if one believes, then one will support.
Remove yourself from north america and you'd be surprised how ridiculous the whole thing looks.
Once so removed, one finds a lot of countries in which the age of consent is low and so is the value placed on chastity before marriage is even less. It is more than obvious that a reduced sense of modesty detracts from that value.
Look at the shameful amount of cleavage showing on this Nephite woman!
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Look at the shameful amount of cleavage showing on this Nephite woman!
What makes you think it's a Nephite woman? Or a even a believer?
Plus, what is modest or immodest in society changes. For example, in early Christianity, it was considered effeminate for a man to shave his beard and immoral for a woman to wear make-up. In today's society, a beard still represents rebellion but make-up is not intrinsically seen as being associated with prostitution or other infidelity. The Church's dress standards will always be the opposite of what overtly advertises sex or rebellion or alternative lifestyles in society, etc.
Buffalo wrote: Look at the shameful amount of cleavage showing on this Nephite woman!
She's obviously a Lamanite. She was cursed with dark skin and cleavage.
"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
Look at the shameful amount of cleavage showing on this Nephite woman!
What makes you think it's a Nephite woman? Or a even a believer?
Plus, what is modest or immodest in society changes. For example, in early Christianity, it was considered effeminate for a man to shave his beard and immoral for a woman to wear make-up. In today's society, a beard still represents rebellion but make-up is not intrinsically seen as being associated with prostitution or other infidelity. The Church's dress standards will always be the opposite of what overtly advertises sex or rebellion or alternative lifestyles in society, etc.
Beards have not been considered rebellious by anyone outside the Mormon church since the late 80's.
"A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows." - Samuel Clemens
The name of the "king" in Facsimile No. 3 of the Book of Abraham is Isis. Yes...that is her name.
The thing is, BYU set the standard and this girl broke the rules. People like Mary Keller are simply supporting BYU's right to set standards. You need to decide if you will stand for righteousness, or stand with the world and mock the standards set by BYU. As a critic, I can stand and mock the standards, but if I was a TBM, I would be forced to support the BYU honor code and make comments similar to what Mary Keller said. As a TBM, you really have no right to criticize the rules.
No one is forced. The fact of the matter is that if one believes, then one will support.
Exactly. "Forced" was the wrong word. Mary Keller, and the guy who wrote the note, choose to stand on the side of righteousness, while the rest of us mock them. Any truly righteous TBM would also choose to stand on the side of righteousness and support BYU's dress code. Anyone who doesn't stand and support this guy and the BYU dress code policy is kicking against the pricks.
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"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
Look at the shameful amount of cleavage showing on this Nephite woman!
What makes you think it's a Nephite woman? Or a even a believer?
Plus, what is modest or immodest in society changes. For example, in early Christianity, it was considered effeminate for a man to shave his beard and immoral for a woman to wear make-up. In today's society, a beard still represents rebellion but make-up is not intrinsically seen as being associated with prostitution or other infidelity. The Church's dress standards will always be the opposite of what overtly advertises sex or rebellion or alternative lifestyles in society, etc.
Nephite is apparently a loan-shift word for Mayan.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
