BCSpace and Official Doctrine--A Few Questions

[_Tobin]

Wait till you see my current ones!

Yeah, I'm afraid to ask.

[_Chap]

You had some really weird notions. Are you feeling better now?

You think those were weird? Wait till you see my current ones!

And yeah, I feel marvelous.

Have you told Tobin you used to be a Mormon?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I find it interesting that Mr. BCSpace feels his subjective anecdotal experience is somehow more reliable than anyone else's. This makes three weak spots in his posture:

1) His definition of Official Doctrine has never been officially declared IAW his definition of Official Doctrine thus rendering it moot.

2) His definition of Official Doctrine holds him accountable to his definable definition of Official Doctrine thus undermining his apologetics when a critic produces "official doctrine".

3) Mr. BCSpace feels his subjective anecdotal experience is somehow more reliable than anyone else's subjective anecdotal experience thus placing him in the uneviable position of inventing doctrine that isn't Official Doctrine as defined by himself thus negating his attempt at apologetics.

In other words, he's just making s*** up & passing it off as a legitimate Mormon position.

- VRDRC

[_sock puppet]

In other words, he's just making s*** up & passing it off as a legitimate Mormon position.

Sounds like he's a worthy disciple of JSJr and BY, then, doesn't it?

[_Buffalo]

I was told a long time ago that the Catholic bishops get together in the Vatican when the Pope dies. They all discuss who they think should be the next pope. I thought, "Gee wiz, they sure don't know a thing about revelation like we do! Lucky for us, God calls our prophets."

I also remember learning about how the Catholics came up with the Trinity doctrine. I was told they sat in council and discussed it for a long time. I remember thinking, "Gosh, they were in such an apostasy! Our prophet just asks God. 'Tis as simple as that."

Golly!

[_consiglieri]

I was told a long time ago that the Catholic bishops get together in the Vatican when the Pope dies. They all discuss who they think should be the next pope. I thought, "Gee wiz, they sure don't know a thing about revelation like we do! Lucky for us, God calls our prophets."

You're not alone, Zeez. I was told exactly the same thing with the same comparison. The story I heard was that when the Mormon prophet dies, the other apostles gather in the upper floor of the Salt Lake Temple and take a secret vote; when all the votes are revealed, they are found to match exactly.

First time, every time.

To my chagrin, I remember even repeating this story to non-members.

The foibles of youth.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_Themis]

I was told a long time ago that the Catholic bishops get together in the Vatican when the Pope dies. They all discuss who they think should be the next pope. I thought, "Gee wiz, they sure don't know a thing about revelation like we do! Lucky for us, God calls our prophets."

You're not alone, Zeez. I was told exactly the same thing with the same comparison. The story I heard was that when the Mormon prophet dies, the other apostles gather in the upper floor of the Salt Lake Temple and take a secret vote; when all the votes are revealed, they are found to match exactly.

First time, every time.

To my chagrin, I remember even repeating this story to non-members.

The foibles of youth.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

LOL Well at least how they really do it will have less politics then Catholics. Just outlive everyone in line ahead of you.

[_Themis]

Yay, my favorite bcspace topic. Tells us again, bcspace, how it is that saying "X is in Y" entails that "everything in Y is X".

I would also like him to answer this question, since he has always avoided it.

[_bcspace]

I just saw BCSpace's new signature line which he touts as being the Official Church Stance on what constitutes Official Church Doctrine:

If I recall correctly, I think Drifting has the second part of that in his siggy which he emphasizes to the exclusion of the rest to present a false picture of what LDS doctrine is. I would put both together but there is not enough memory allowed for it on this site.

With divine inspiration, the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles counsel together to establish doctrine that is consistently proclaimed in official Church publications.--Official LDS Church stance on doctrine.

Now that we at last have BCSpace committed to a proposition,

"At last"? You're as yellow journalistic as the rest. I've presented the Church's view on doctrine decades before Approaching Mormon doctrine was ever published and I'm sure you can search on the MDD and find examples prior to 2007 where I present it the same way; publication is the standard.

1. Why is the word "revelation" not mentioned anywhere in this definition?

Divine inspiration covers it.

Joseph Smith was big on revelation--the modern-church; not so much. Is there any indication this was how Joseph Smith viewed doctrine as being established?

2. Why do fifteen men have to "counsel together"? What are the counseling about? Doesn't God just reveal this sort of thing anymore? (See question No. 1)

D&C 107. The FP and Qo12 are equal in authority. A good example of this might be OD-1 which was presented before the entire body before it was official.

It would be interesting to delve into how Joseph Smith may actually handled it.

3. Isn't this misleading?

I don't think so.

I mean, the First Presidency and the Quorum of Twelve Apostles haven't "established" any "doctrine" for over a century.

By this logic, the rest of Christianity hasn't had any for hundreds of years at least.

[_Tobin]

YES!!! This thread is now "official".