LDS Scholar Terryl Givens: ?????It is an epidemic.?????

[_Jason Bourne]

"Chapel Mormons" are aware of the issues raised by anti Mormons.

No many are not. Why do you continue this lie. Yes lie. Ask Tobin in the thread about Grant Palmer where he says TBMs are too tender to read what William Law had to say about things in Nauvoo. He says most TBMs/Chapel Mormons can't handle anti critic. He is a defender as are you.

John Dehlin types are too few and easily identified and cut out of the loop. Meanwhile, we continue to patrol the swamp reactivating prospective elders and ordaining them

How about you share us how successful that effort it for you all.

[_malkie]

are these type of articles getting any attention from chapel Mormons?

"Chapel Mormons" are aware of the issues raised by anti Mormons. John Dehlin types are too few and easily identified and cut out of the loop. Meanwhile, we continue to patrol the swamp reactivating prospective elders and ordaining them.

Would you consider full-time missionaries to be the kind of "Chapel Mormons" you refer to?

[_Infymus]

Lose the magic and you lose the faithful followers. Mormonism then just becomes another 12 step program. You have to have ignorant chapel members who faithfully pay tithing, actually believe that Monson really talks to Jesus, and that Joseph Smith actually saw God.

No, they won't change. It isn't profitable. Ignorant chapel Mormons will fight the hardest for the cult. Internet Mormons like DCP just take potshots but always flee when faced with reality.

[_BartBurk]

I have known several Mormons whose testimony of the Book of Mormon Trump's their knowledge of historical problems. The problem with telling people the true history of the church too early is it might keep them from getting that testimony which sustains them. It's a tightrope the LDS Church will have a hard time walking.

[_Quasimodo]

Lose the magic and you lose the faithful followers. Mormonism then just becomes another 12 step program. You have to have ignorant chapel members who faithfully pay tithing, actually believe that Monson really talks to Jesus, and that Joseph Smith actually saw God.

No, they won't change. It isn't profitable. Ignorant chapel Mormons will fight the hardest for the cult. Internet Mormons like DCP just take potshots but always flee when faced with reality.

I've said this before here, but it's fun to have the opportunity to say it again.

The Church is now in an untenable position. If the Church admits that their version of history is not correct, they lose their claim that it's the one, true church governed by a prophet of God (they are fallible).

If they don't admit that they have been "fudging" things, there is too much reliable information out there for any reasonable person to take them seriously.

It's a lose/ lose situation.

Most of the current older generation might be unaware of the true history now available. The next generation is much more aware. The next generation after that will be acutely aware. How many generations will it take for there to be no members left?

The ship is sinking. It's interesting to watch the rearranging of deck chairs.

[_Drifting]

I've said this before here, but it's fun to have the opportunity to say it again.

The Church is now in an untenable position. If the Church admits that their version of history is not correct, they lose their claim that it's the one, true church governed by a prophet of God (they are fallible).

If they don't admit that they have been "fudging" things, there is too much reliable information out there for any reasonable person to take them seriously.

It's a lose/ lose situation.

Most of the current older generation might be unaware of the true history now available. The next generation is much more aware. The next generation after that will be acutely aware. How many generations will it take for there to be no members left?

The ship is sinking. It's interesting to watch the rearranging of deck chairs.

This is why you hear nothing of substance from Monson.
He knows this and God has not told him what to do about it.
It's keeping him awake at night, but all he's getting is the dialling tone...

[_Quasimodo]

I've said this before here, but it's fun to have the opportunity to say it again.

The Church is now in an untenable position. If the Church admits that their version of history is not correct, they lose their claim that it's the one, true church governed by a prophet of God (they are fallible).

If they don't admit that they have been "fudging" things, there is too much reliable information out there for any reasonable person to take them seriously.

It's a lose/ lose situation.

Most of the current older generation might be unaware of the true history now available. The next generation is much more aware. The next generation after that will be acutely aware. How many generations will it take for there to be no members left?

The ship is sinking. It's interesting to watch the rearranging of deck chairs.

This is why you hear nothing of substance from Monson.
He knows this and God has not told him what to do about it.
It's keeping him awake at night, but all he's getting is the dialling tone...

"Hello, thank you for calling heaven, may I direct your call?" "Hi, this is Tom Monson. Is God available?" "Let me check... Err sorry, God is in a meeting and is not taking calls. Let me direct you to the FAQ section of our web site..."

[_aranyborju]

This is why you hear nothing of substance from Monson.
He knows this and God has not told him what to do about it.
It's keeping him awake at night, but all he's getting is the dialling tone...

I doubt that it keeps him up at night. It must be nice for him to know that he will be adored for the rest of his life by millions of people while he plays prophet. He knows that he will be dead long before any major changes need to happen...if they ever happen.

[_Madison54]

This is why you hear nothing of substance from Monson.

I agree. This and also because he doesn't want to be quoted in 10 years as speaking as a Prophet of God only to be proven wrong. That's why they now use or allow apologists to do all the heavy lifting when it comes to doctrinal issues. When was the last time you heard Monson speak anything but fluff? Rarely have I ever heard him give a talk involving any deep doctrine.

As far as the church being in trouble after this older generation dies off, I couldn't agree more. I have 5 siblings, each of us were married in the temple and all of my brothers served missions. We have all stopped believing and have left the church (along with the majority of our children).

The church is losing generations with each member who discovers the truth about the church and walks out the door taking their children, future grandchildren, etc. with them.

[_DarkHelmet]

Lose the magic and you lose the faithful followers. Mormonism then just becomes another 12 step program. You have to have ignorant chapel members who faithfully pay tithing, actually believe that Monson really talks to Jesus, and that Joseph Smith actually saw God.

No, they won't change. It isn't profitable. Ignorant chapel Mormons will fight the hardest for the cult. Internet Mormons like DCP just take potshots but always flee when faced with reality.

I've said this before here, but it's fun to have the opportunity to say it again.

The Church is now in an untenable position. If the Church admits that their version of history is not correct, they lose their claim that it's the one, true church governed by a prophet of God (they are fallible).

If they don't admit that they have been "fudging" things, there is too much reliable information out there for any reasonable person to take them seriously.

It's a lose/ lose situation.

Most of the current older generation might be unaware of the true history now available. The next generation is much more aware. The next generation after that will be acutely aware. How many generations will it take for there to be no members left?

The ship is sinking. It's interesting to watch the rearranging of deck chairs.

right now they are doing fine. Bringing in billions of tax free tithing every year. Until they see tithing revenues drop, they don't care. I think they will eventually need to be more accepting of NOMs and members with different levels of belief, from literal believers to those who think it's a crock but enjoy the social aspects of it. But right now, the NOMs and social Mormons are dangerous to have around because they will cause the true believers to start to question things. AS long as they have enough true believers to keep the tithing revenue rolling in, they won't worry too much about these numbers. All is well in Zion for now. If tithing revenues start to drop drastically, they may change course, allow NOMs and social Mormons to believe whatever they want at a reduced tithing rate.