G.Palmer Mormon Discussions Podcast on Joseph Smith Sexual Allegations

[_RockSlider]

Palmer made a statement which I have a feeling that time will verify. As he suggested, a good solid biography of William Law would likely show that out of all the high ranking leaders of those early days, that left the Church, William Law will prove the most level headed and reliable source of truth in his witness.

[_Mary]

Palmer made a statement which I have a feeling that time will verify. As he suggested, a good solid biography of William Law would likely show that out of all the high ranking leaders of those early days, that left the Church, William Law will prove the most level headed and reliable source of truth in his witness.

I look forward to reading it! I wonder who will take it on..

[_RockSlider]

I look forward to reading it! I wonder who will take it on..

Well, Grant sure has dropped a powerful catalyst for a future historian/author. I can’t believe how easily (like Tobin here), that I bought into the wicked Law mentality. Heck, every Mormon knows he was the basic cause of Joseph Smith’s death, and so is a wicked, wicked man.

As Grant also mentioned, the interesting thing about this man’s “apostasy” is way different than others. Why did he apostatize? Learned of Joseph Smith’s concept of “non-innocent blood” (with direct knowledge of Joseph Smith’s involvement with conspiracy to commit murder), Being asked have sex with Emma, Being asked to give his wife to Joseph Smith.

Yes one nasty apostate right there!

[_Tobin]

.. I can’t believe how easily (like Tobin here), that I bought into the wicked Law mentality. Heck, every Mormon knows he was the basic cause of Joseph Smith’s death, and so is a wicked, wicked man.

Actually, I don't think that at all. I just don't find him credible during the period immediately after his excommunication. I don't actually think he was a "wicked" man. He was just caught up in the moment and did and said some unfortunate things.

[_Darth J]

.. I can’t believe how easily (like Tobin here), that I bought into the wicked Law mentality. Heck, every Mormon knows he was the basic cause of Joseph Smith’s death, and so is a wicked, wicked man.

Actually, I don't think that at all. I just don't find him credible during the period immediately after his excommunication. I don't actually think he was a "wicked" man. He was just caught up in the moment and did and said some unfortunate things.

In summary, William Law is not credible because he and/or the Nauvoo Expositor made the following false statements of fact:

[Tobin: insert your response(s) here]

[_SteelHead]

So before he was exed he was credible, after no.

Did his whole nature change? Or is it that what he says after is unfavourable to your worldview? And hence to be discredited.

[_RockSlider]

Actually, I don't think that at all. I just don't find him credible during the period immediately after his excommunication. I don't actually think he was a "wicked" man. He was just caught up in the moment and did and said some unfortunate things.

I’m not interested in going around and around with you, but I would be interested to know if you think there is any truth to the reasons he apostatized.

1. Joseph Smith’s sought physical violence against his enemies … yes/no
2. Joseph Smith asked him to be his substitute for his wife … yes/no
3. Joseph Smith asked him/his wife to be Joseph Smith’s wife … yes/no

Finally would a yes on any one of these justify him in a desire to expose Joseph Smith and end up outside the circle.

[_Tobin]

Actually, I don't think that at all. I just don't find him credible during the period immediately after his excommunication. I don't actually think he was a "wicked" man. He was just caught up in the moment and did and said some unfortunate things.

I’m not interested in going around and around with you, but I would be interested to know if you think there is any truth to the reasons he apostatized.

1. Joseph Smith’s sought physical violence against his enemies … yes/no
2. Joseph Smith asked him to be his substitute for his wife … yes/no
3. Joseph Smith asked him/his wife to be Joseph Smith’s wife … yes/no

Finally would a yes on any one of these justify him in a desire to expose Joseph Smith and end up outside the circle.

1. no 2. no 3 no

And no. I do not think any of these reasons are why he apostatized or why he was excommunicated (and I have stated so). This thing was driven by a nasty personality conflict and absolute distaste for polygamy.

[_Chap]

William Law had 'an absolute distaste for polygamy'.

What was he, some kind of a weirdo?

[_Tobin]

In summary, William Law is not credible because he and/or the Nauvoo Expositor made the following false statements of fact:
[Tobin: insert your response(s) here]

Darth J, just pretend I'm not here. We just simply don't understand each other and I think it would be best if we just refrained from commenting on each others posts. And I'm not trying to be mean. I'm sure you feel your points are valid. I just fail to see how it has anything to do with my positions or anything I have stated, so I really can't respond to you.