Equality wrote:Only simpletons reading that article would think Bott was speaking for the church. The article also quoted from a number of other members, including from faithful African-American members and church spokesperson Michael Purdy. The idea that this was some sort of hatchet job is completely absurd. It was a balanced article that could have been way, way harder on the church and on Romney. That the overly sensitive PR dept. went ballistic on Bott is outrageous, and the blame for the PR fiasco that ensued lies squarely on the shoulders of President Newsroom.
We are a surfing society. We surf the web or surf through an article, picking out the gem to run with. Such was the case with Bott and his statement. That was the gem extracted from the mountain.
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consiglieri wrote: You can read the minds of everybody who read the article?
Now that's pretty amazing; I have to hand it to you.
I am an amazing fellow that is for sure.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Equality wrote:Only simpletons reading that article would think Bott was speaking for the church. The article also quoted from a number of other members, including from faithful African-American members and church spokesperson Michael Purdy. The idea that this was some sort of hatchet job is completely absurd. It was a balanced article that could have been way, way harder on the church and on Romney. That the overly sensitive PR dept. went ballistic on Bott is outrageous, and the blame for the PR fiasco that ensued lies squarely on the shoulders of President Newsroom.
We are a surfing society. We surf the web or surf through an article, picking out the gem to run with. Such was the case with Bott and his statement. That was the gem extracted from the mountain.
Yes, by President Newsroom. It was the molehill made into a mountain by the Mormons.
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If anyone claims his retirement was already in process, I'd like to see a certified copy of his notarized signature with date on his retirement papers.
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Tobin wrote:I agree that what Bott said was incredibly stupid and most people in the country would not distinguish between what he said and what the Church believes. However, I don't think Bott is the only one they could have found to take a position like this. I've seen Mormons on this board express the same types of views.
Why should they distinguish between the two, Bott isn't some bozo off the street, he is professor hired by the church owned university (presumably vetted by both) to teach religion. A professor that BYU says is expert in doctrine of the church. So the LDS church hires for it's own university a man whose expertise is Doctrine of the Church. But he doesn't know the doctrine? Calls into question just what either institution knows about church doctrine, one can only hope (and I assume) they do a better job in the other areas taught at the universtity.
Faculty Directory › Randy L. Bott Randy L. Bott rlb9's picture
Department: Church History
Title: Associate Professor
Office: 210D JSB
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Bio: Brother Bott was born and raise in Northern Utah. Graduated with a BS in Psychology from USU. Masters in Secondary Education from USU. Doctorate in Educational Leadership from BYU. Served as a Bishop, High Councilor, Stake Presidency (twice), and as a Mission President. Has authored numerous books and articles. Married to Vickie Pehrson. Parents of six children (3 boys, 3 girls), 8 grandchildren. Loves to travel, read, counsel, and write.
Courses Taught: Sharing the Gospel, Doctrine and Covenants
Areas of Expertise: Doctrine of the Church, missionary preparation, application of doctrine to life; Joseph Smith's writings
Areas of Research: Scriptural application; Interdisciplinary healing of the whole man; Doctrines of the Gospel.
why me wrote:He was set for retirement and he was heading out the door anyway. The church is not responsible for his retirement. But Bott is.
Do you mean he was willing to capitulate or that Bott was the his own instrument for an involuntary retirement, by answering the reporters questions without a correlated script?
Yes, by President Newsroom. It was the molehill made into a mountain by the Mormons.
Don't knock it. It's been official doctrine since it's inception (being published by the Church) and only just now have a few bandit apologists begun to embrace it (largely because it seems to justify their anti Gospel values).
moksha wrote:Does anyone know what the Church policy is for extending contracts past usual retirement ages?
Bc, you're the expert for such doctrinal considerations, what's the scoop?
Yes. If the person is related to, or friendly with the paid clergy, or posses accumulated wealth, then you get offered some kind of seventy role. This is providing you haven't brought the good name of the Church into disrepute by doing something stupid like...say...telling the truth.
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consiglieri wrote: You can read the minds of everybody who read the article?
Now that's pretty amazing; I have to hand it to you.
I am an amazing fellow that is for sure.
Yes you are!!
You can divine the thoughts of the critics, apologists, the 11 witnesses, Washington Post reporters and readers and even porn stars...no one is beyond your thought reading abilities. You are amazing, you even threaten "peril", I mean great peril if anyone puts you on ignore. Believe me that threat has me shaking in my boots, I won't dare try that one.
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