Utah suffers under Poor Decission of its Governor (link)

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Re: Utah suffers under Poor Decission of its Governor (link)

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Under current law, LDS parents who interpret the CHI the way you apparently do can opt their kids out of sex education in the public schools in Utah. Parents who do not follow the ignorant rantings of octogenarian religious zealots are not forced into having their kids suffer a subpar education.


You're under the erroneous assumption that the government can supply a superior education.
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Utah suffers under Poor Decision of its Governor (link)

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This is a year of mixed blessings for Utah. The legislature also saw fit to forgo future federal monies for Medicaid and Medicare. That is definitely a bad thing for the disabled and elderly, but a coup for conservatives.
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The Dude wrote:I'm really surprised this law made it through the state congress all the way to the Governor's desk. How did that happen?


Listen here:

http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/kuer/news.newsmain?action=article&ARTICLE_ID=1907945

Really, quite a fascinating interview with the key players.
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bcspace wrote:
Under current law, LDS parents who interpret the CHI the way you apparently do can opt their kids out of sex education in the public schools in Utah. Parents who do not follow the ignorant rantings of octogenarian religious zealots are not forced into having their kids suffer a subpar education.


You're under the erroneous assumption that the government can supply a superior education.


So you support closing down the schools and just leaving education of children to parents? I think you are in a very tiny minority of folks who would take that radical position.
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Equality wrote:
bcspace wrote:You're under the erroneous assumption that the government can supply a superior education.


So you support closing down the schools and just leaving education of children to parents? I think you are in a very tiny minority of folks who would take that radical position.


I have a daughter who teaches sex ed (within the health curriculum). If parents were doing their job, she wouldn't get the types of questions she gets.
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bcspace wrote:You're under the erroneous assumption that the government can supply a superior education.

Equality wrote:So you support closing down the schools and just leaving education of children to parents? I think you are in a very tiny minority of folks who would take that radical position.

harmony wrote:I have a daughter who teaches sex ed (within the health curriculum). If parents were doing their job, she wouldn't get the types of questions she gets.

I taught sex ed to the school's fifth graders for about ten years, where parents were invited to participate. What I found alarming were the types questions I fielded from parents. They often knew little about their own reproductive systems.
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Morley
I taught sex ed to the school's fifth graders for about ten years, where parents were invited to participate. What I found alarming were the types questions I fielded from parents. They often knew little about their own reproductive systems.


I don't doubt this for a single second. Adults typically know more about how things work than how people work, including the children that they're raising.

I just have to share this slightly off topic little story. I once sat at a table with young children who were cutting up tomatoes. We saved out the seeds to try to plant them. A parent asked me, "If you plant those seeds what will it grow?"

I swear that is a true story.
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I'd like to know who/what bcspace thinks should be in charge of education in this country, since he obviously doesn't think the government is doing a good enough job.
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Re: Utah suffers under Poor Decission of its Governor (link)

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bcspace wrote:
Under current law, LDS parents who interpret the CHI the way you apparently do can opt their kids out of sex education in the public schools in Utah. Parents who do not follow the ignorant rantings of octogenarian religious zealots are not forced into having their kids suffer a subpar education.


You're under the erroneous assumption that the government can supply a superior education.

On sex?
Oh yes. Quit often--and that is the point.

Better than uneducated hillbilly parents where the father's idea of sex education is just to threaten that no boy ever better touch his daughter and who is too busy trying to get his meth lab up and runing anyway. Mom is an uneducated slut hooked on cigarettes and soap operas.
The number of vunerable kids out there with loser parents is high and that is the point.

Also, better than my exwife's Mormon parents who told her that anything related to sex was disgusting and dirty and that the pregnant cousin was an unspeakable shame but never actually explained sex or what it had to do with pregnancy. (Too hard to even talk about such a gross thing as sex you see). I actually witnessed her Mom telling lies to prevent her daughter from even finding out that condoms exists! (I suppose because Mormons think that once kids know about condoms they literally run at top speed out of the house buy a fist full of condoms and start screwing strangers)

Even my parents (my dad a Bishop and my Mom relief society prez) never bothered to explain to me that the chances of preganancy from one or two instances of intercourse was pretty high for a young couple and not extremely low. (no I didn't get anyone pregnant)

And look at Rush Limbaugh who apprently doesn't even know how birth control works--implying that the more sex you have the more birth control pills you need to gulp down. LOL

Damn right the schools can do better. They teach from lesson plans designed by professionals and are full of biological facts--facts it seems that all too many parents don't even know themselves. If there are parents that can teach it wisely then they will just get the facts twice which isn't a problem.

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Morley wrote:I taught sex ed to the school's fifth graders for about ten years, where parents were invited to participate. What I found alarming were the types questions I fielded from parents. They often knew little about their own reproductive systems.


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