Do Mormons believe God literaly had sex with Mary?

[_Yoda]

Is this official enough?

Family Home Evenings (1972), by the Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint pp. 125-126

"help you and your children understand that Jesus is God's Only Begotten Son." [3]:
"A MODERN PROPHET'S ANSWER":

"Now we are told in Scriptures that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God in the flesh. Well, now for the benefit of the older ones, how are children begotten? I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten of his father... We must come down to the simple fact that God Almighty was the Father of His Son Jesus Christ. Mary, the virgin girl, who had never known mortal man, was his mother. God by her begot His son Jesus Christ. And he was born into the world with power and intelligence like that of his Father."
~Joseph F. Smith

Includes the following diagrams:





Children are begotten in the same manner Jesus was begotten of his father.

Official church source.

Bc, is frantically trying to find a more recent official Church source that will repudiate this Official Church source...

ROTFLMAO! That's what I was thinking!

[_Jason Bourne]

Yep, Christ was concieved AND born the same way we all are, matter meats matter, and a child is created.

I am glad you finally are being honest.

Further, you IGNORE the word "born". Does being "born" and raised in the womb mean SEX???
Clearly they were teaching the common LDS understanding that Christ is literally the Son of God, the Only Begotten Son of God, in the Flesh to make it even more clear.

The leaders say everything happened in the natural course of things. I don't need to twist their words. You seem to have a need to do so.

Further, the scriptures clearly state the "process". You conveniently ignore that part, that it occurred through the HOly Ghost by the power of God overshadowing.

Yes, so?

Look, I am only copying what they said. Now the next question is how did almost all the members, except the mealy mouthed two faced apologists such as yourself who want to wiggle out of things that are no for some reason embarrassing, understand what they were saying? The answer is that they understand their leaders to say that Jesus was conceived through a sexual act.

You must have NEVER been a Mormon to even say that???

You are so predictable. Yes I have been and am still a Latter-day Saint. Born in Utah. Baptized at 8. Priesthood at all the right ages, mission and so on.

I've attended some 30 different Wards in some 15 different city's in my life, and I have NEVER heard ANY Mormon believe the process occurred by sex. More importantly it has NEVER been taught!!!

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I think you are simply full of horse pucky.

You are an absolute liar! A perfect example of how you people lie.

Here we go again. When you cannot win you resort to calling someone a liar. But I assure you I am not lying. Get over it and stop being such an ass.

In your warped minds, if even "1" Mormon in a Million has ever said or believed something, then it's believed by Mormons, and the Church. Scumbag!

Oh kiss off dip stick. I mean really. Is this the best you can do?

Even worse, you all entirely ignore entire Church history in which every single LDS leader has taught the traditional understanding of Christ's birth and conception.

Why don't you use your brain and actually address the "4" points above with your counter facts?

I will let the words from the mouths of the apostles and prophets stand. Any one can interpret them as they wish I guess.

Bottom line, is you aren't interested in being Honest, you are interested in degrading Mormonism. If you were honest, you would know that a few statements pulled from history that "seems" to you to "imply" something, while ignoring the 1,000's of other statements by LDS leaders which contradict your interpretation, would mean that maybe you aren't interpreting their words correctly, that they were talking about something else. Even further, if you were interested in being honest, even if those words were said, there STILL exists the rest of LDS history which entirely debunks your claim that Mormonism believes and teaches this, when you know DANG WELL that the Church teaches something completely different. IN fact, the Church has no teaching or doctrine on HOW the fertilization occurred, other than what the scriptures say, again, through the HOly Ghost, by the Power of God. That IS the official position of the Church, so even further you are a liar!!!

Yada, yada, yada.

[_SteelHead]

You know I just had an epiphany. Ldsfaqs should teach courses in creative reading. Kind of like creative writing bit instead of creating fiction by writing it, you create fiction by blatantly ignoring the content of a written work, mangle and misapply it till it means something entirely different from the writers intent, or the way any literate person would read it.

He must have a phd in creative reading.

[_ldsfaqs]

I just know how to interpret things fully and accurately, instead of the anti-mormon/liberal way which is to look at things simplistic like a child, making false assumptions and interpretations from simply the "quote mine" a.k.a. "words" themselves ALONE.

This issue the same foolishness other Christians use with the "God is Spirit" verse and other similar verses. They see quoted "words" create an entire doctrine and ideology out of it, but they entirely ignore the CONTEXT of those words in the scripture, and further ignore the context of the words in relation to all other scriptures on the same subject.

You fools do the same thing.....

You look at these quotes and like a child think sex, entirely ignoring the context, as well as the teachings for the entire Church history on the subject from the same men even who made the quotes.

Heck, you even quote who was it Benson above, which he even shows you more the context, that Christ was not "begotten" by the Holy Ghost, but Christ was the son of God, yet you ignore that context, that LDS leaders by those quotes were primarily debunking false doctrine in some other religions, not teaching "sex" as you claim.

Bottom line, Mormonism has ALWAYS taught that Mary was a Virgin in the real sense of the word, that we don't know the process other than by what the scripture states, by the power of God through the Holy Ghost, and that Christ is the Only Begotten Son of God, yes, and in the flesh to make it more clear, since the rest of Christianity has completely forgotten what "only begotten son" means.

[_Buffalo]

[_MCB]

You know I just had an epiphany. Ldsfaqs should teach courses in creative reading. Kind of like creative writing but instead of creating fiction by writing it, you create fiction by blatantly ignoring the content of a written work, mangle and misapply it till it means something entirely different from the writers intent, or the way any literate person would read it.

He must have a phd in creative reading.

Maybe he is a reincarnation of Joseph Smith!!

On the other hand, it takes a lot of creative reading to interpret the Book of Mormon as anti-Mormon literature.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Heck, you even quote who was it Benson above, which he even shows you more the context, that Christ was not "begotten" by the Holy Ghost, but Christ was the son of God, yet you ignore that context, that LDS leaders by those quotes were primarily debunking false doctrine in some other religions, not teaching "sex" as you claim.

That quote from President Benson was him debunking false doctrine like you're teaching, and giving context to the LDS doctrine of God having sex with Mary to "sire" a body for Jesus Christ. When you sire something you put your penis into a vagina and make offspring. Well, at least that's how horses do it...

You earlier taught this false doctrine:

IN fact, the Church has no teaching or doctrine on HOW the fertilization occurred, other than what the scriptures say, again, through the HOly Ghost, by the Power of God. That IS the official position of the Church, so even further you are a liar!!!

That's false doctrine, and is EXACTLY the reason your prophet was so precise with his language. You ought to remember that in order to achieve godhood within Mormon doctrine you must be married, and create a progeny. It's been taught numerous times the progeny will be created through sexual liaison.

- VRDRC

[_Shulem]

Mary was overshadowed by Heavenly Father who placed his seed in her. Perhaps some Mormons think that he placed the sperm in her via artificially. But, a great many Mormons have taught that he did it through sex, having a real full blown orgasm. I guess it depends on which Mormon you're talking to.

I think that all Mormons believe Heavenly Father has orgasms and that sperm actually squirts out of his penis during that interval. Afterall, he is married and has a resurrected body that includes a penis (without blood) that gets excited. Right?

Will the apologists deny the basics of human sex in God?

Paul O

[_Yoda]

Mary was overshadowed by Heavenly Father who placed his seed in her. Perhaps some Mormons think that he placed the sperm in her via artificially. But, a great many Mormons have taught that he did it through sex, having a real full blown orgasm. I guess it depends on which Mormon you're talking to.

I think that all Mormons believe Heavenly Father has orgasms and that sperm actually squirts out of his penis during that interval. Afterall, he is married and has a resurrected body that includes a penis (without blood) that gets excited. Right?

Will the apologists deny the basics of human sex in God?

Paul O

Paul--

When you were TBM, what did you believe? Did you believe that God had sex with Mary?

[_Shulem]

Paul--

When you were TBM, what did you believe? Did you believe that God had sex with Mary?

Yes, Liz, I most certainly did. I figured that somehow the glorious Father of Heaven took Mary into his bosom and had sex with her and thereby placed his seed into her in the natural fashion as any man would. That was what I was taught and that is how I interpreted the teachings of modern prophets since the days of Joseph Smith. But nowdays, Mormons are backsliding and no longer want to hang on to those old doctrines that make the church look bad. Frankly, I don't blame them. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were nuts and church presidents who carried the torch after them were nuts.

Again, I really believed that Father in Heaven placed his penis inside of Mary and thus a baby was the result. It seemed a holy thing to me at the time. But now it just seems damn silly. Besides, I was brainwashed in the cult.

Paul O