Consiglieri Blacklisted

[_Polygamy-Porter]

Perfect exit!

Just don't let them smell the hard liquor on you when the HT come to snoop, err visit.

Have you exited? I think that you are still a member. And you probably have home teachers visiting you.

I have not requested the names of my children and I be removed.
Why? Because I know it is BS.

Once I see proof that my name is completely erased, then I will do it.

Plus, I have not had any visits from any of the local members or leadership ever since I met with the bishop and told him to respect my choice or I would fill his office with doubters.

So far he has kept his promise.

[_Carton]

Consig, do you think your Bishop would 'guest' on here so he can explain himself publicly?

Oh, man! Do you think he would? I really doubt it. Too likely to attract big-time attention in this election year. Can you see MSNBC getting hold of the story of the "black-listed Mormon elder" who is being prevented from teaching his views on Mormon doctrine and history because they are "too true" for the church's tastes? With the bishop defending his actions on a popular Mormon discussions forum? I'd love to see it happen. I think it would stir up a firestorm.

[_ldsfaqs]

Sounds like your Ward has finally gotten to know you like us internet Mormons have, all your false judgments concerning the Brethren, your degrading of various doctrines, your misrepresentation of events from history, etc.

In other words, they finally realized all the anti-mormonism you have been teaching, and deservedly have restricted you. You are a wolf in sheeps clothing. You should not be teaching the Saints.

The Bishop likely got lot's of complaints and or heard you teach himself, and thus simply asked that you not be asked to teach.

I seem to recall some 20 anti-mormon positions you've held over the last couple of years, a few of which I've called you on, let alone your support of the anti-mormons here.

Thus, you shouldn't be surprised. I was always wondering how you could be still teaching others with your anti-mormon positions. Oh..... You and the others here spare me the claim "your only teaching the truth". You may be teaching some facts, but you aren't teaching the truth. You pervert the truth, falsely degrade the Church, it's leaders etc. I've seen you do it over and over again. I can't recall any other Faithful Mormon on the internet as you who so blatantly belittles the Church on even the well accepted solid BASICS. It's one things for LDS to have different opinions about fringe stuff, but another to hold outright anti-mormon positions which belittle the Church, and MANY at that, not just a couple.

Bottom line, you are not an Orthodox Mormon, so why should you expect to teach?

Oh, and you anti's out there who claim being Orthodox Mormon means you aren't a "free" thinker. You're complete idiots. Have different views from another doesn't mean every one of us on any side isn't "free". It is because of my free thinking that I ever joined the Church, became anti-mormon/anti-religion, and then came back. We are all FREE to choose what we will embrace as truth and right. You choose another path.... That doesn't make you more "free".

[_Yoda]

A few months ago, when I was visiting him at the hospital after heart surgery, the current sixty-something GD teacher told me he was instructed by our ward sunday school president that I was not to be asked to substitute teach the class.

Thoughts?

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

Accept that people are not perfect and hope that they learn from their own imperfections. Don't take it personal and make your feelings known to those concerned. And don't use it as an excuse to think badly of the entire church.

Or you will be sitting listening to general conference hearing that some people leave the faith because they were offended and you may be one of them.

You consistently assume too much. When has Consig said that he thinks badly about the entire Church?

[_Yoda]

Consig, I hope that you go to the Bishop and find out exactly what the story is.

I would flat-out ask him why you were black listed.

Then, please return and report!

Maybe he was becoming too sure of himself and maybe a little flippant with what was in the manual. And maybe his hostility was coming out as was the case on MAD. If so, no excuse to blacklist him. But rather have a talk with him.

Could you please explain what hostility you are talking about?

You seem to project emotions upon people that don't actually exist.

I have never found Consig to be hostile toward the Church. There is a big difference between being honest about history, and pointing out variances, and having a hostile attitude.

[_ldsfaqs]

Maybe he was becoming too sure of himself and maybe a little flippant with what was in the manual. And maybe his hostility was coming out as was the case on MAD. If so, no excuse to blacklist him. But rather have a talk with him.

Could you please explain what hostility you are talking about?

You seem to project emotions upon people that don't actually exist.

I have never found Consig to be hostile toward the Church. There is a big difference between being honest about history, and pointing out variances, and having a hostile attitude.

I think Why Me and I have known Consig long enough from his postings over at MA&DB as well as here, to consider many of his views to be hostile to the Church and it's leaders.

I say this with much sadness. But, he has held many anti-mormon positions, and once I noticed that he was going to far, I started calling him on it.

And by the way, anti-mormon "honesty" about history is not honesty, it's lying. It's a little more truth used to tell great lies. Further, because the Church is true, and there ARE good answers for everything, one can be entirely honest about the Church without having to degrade it or it's leaders. As a convert and someone who's left it and been anti-mormon, I actually do know what I'm talking about.

[_consiglieri]

How bout: why do you continue in a organization that censors you for teaching truth?

It isn't easy, I must confess. I told the GD teacher in our phone call that I was thinking about taking a break. He pleaded with me not to do that. I said it might be better for my spiritual welfare. He disagreed. I said that surely he could agree as a general principle that not going to church could be better for a person's spiritual growth than going to church. I had him there.

Then he reminded me that I am his home teacher, and that I am always asking if I can do anything. "Well," he said, "This is what you can do for me. Keep coming to church; if for no other reason, than for me." Then he had me there.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_Fence Sitter]

How bout: why do you continue in a organization that censors you for teaching truth?

It isn't easy, I must confess. I told the GD teacher in our phone call that I was thinking about taking a break. He pleaded with me not to do that. I said it might be better for my spiritual welfare. He disagreed. I said that surely he could agree as a general principle that not going to church could be better for a person's spiritual growth than going to church. I had him there.

Then he reminded me that I am his home teacher, and that I am always asking if I can do anything. "Well," he said, "This is what you can do for me. Keep coming to church; if for no other reason, than for me." Then he had me there.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

What a great idea!! Next time my home teacher asks me if he can do any thing for me I will ask him if he will go inactive for me!!!

[_consiglieri]

Go see the Bishop...

Hi Bishop, have you got a minute?

Sure Consig, come right in.

So Bishop, I'm being told that I am banned from being a substitute GD teacher and that you are the source of the ban. What gives?

I just threw your stinking palm tree overboard.
Now what's all this crud about no movie tonight?

My GD teacher friend suggested this, as well. I told him I would, except for the fact I know nothing I say would change his mind. And I'm not really out to change his mind. The thing that bothers me is how clandestine this has all been. Nobody has talked to me about this situation. It was just done behind my back. That's what has me frosted.

I told my friend that I was reluctant to speak to the bishop, because what would I say? I would confront him about the situation and ask him if it were true. Regardless of where it went from there, the fact of my bringing my feelings to his attention would mean I would never accept any offer to teach again in any forum from him, if only because my blood curdles at the thought of being somebody's "project."

Also, the bishop has a ready-made smoke screen--I do not live in the ward boundaries. We have lived about one hundred yards outside the ward boundaries for ten years now and continuously attended this ward. I was high priest secretary up until late last year and my wife was a primary teacher until earlier this year. So that's not the real reason, but it is simply a handy smoke screen behind which the bishop can hide.

My GD teacher friend said he thought he would approach the bishop about it and, without mentioning our discussion or my feelings, would simply say he had been advised by the SS president that I was not to substitute and ask why that should be the case. He said he would get back to me if and when.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_zeezrom]

Hey Consig,

It could be that the stake president would tell your bishop to exclude you from substitute teaching. It could also be that the regional rep would council the stake pres likewise and so forth all the way to Mr. Monson.

Maybe this is a good opportunity to start an underground class. If you do this, might I make a little suggestion? Could you please consider wearing berets? I know you don't smoke but that would be really cool to see a bunch of folks in a dark room with a single lightbulb above a table, smoke filling the air and each wearing a wool beret. You would all be discussing the Gospel, Consig style. :)