The Shape of Mormonism to Come

[_Droopy]

Droopy

Are you saying the Brooks represents what Mormonism is going to become?

Hello, Jason. No. I'm saying that, if you take a look at Religion Dispatches, and her personal website, and read the stuff she's written on political and cultural subjects, that is what she would like Mormonism to become, over time.

I ask you again as I have before.

What is the Church to do with a Brooks or John Dehlin?

Let the wheat and the tares grow together until the very end and the night comes, "in which no work can be performed).

Should they excommunicate them?

Not unless they do something excommunicatable.

Should they tolerate them?

They always have.

Should they embrace them?

What do you mean?

None of the results looks positive for the hard line conservative position you and BC espouse except the first. But I believe that will result in shrinkage for the Church over time.

I have never espoused a "hardline conservative" position regarding the Church. All I've ever said is that what is called modern conservatism, and to some limited extent, elements of libertarianism, are much more compatible with Church teaching than any other political philosophy, broadly speaking. This is relevant to the degree and quality of "light and truth" these philosophies contain, and has nothing to do with party.

The Left, as a broad range of allied philosophies, ideologies, and political projects, is oppositional in nature, with respect to gospel principles, and this is pervasive and deep across that entire range of systems of thought.

[_Droopy]

Droopy,

If you were Brooks's bishop, what would you say to her? Would you initiate a disciplinary court? Jason Bourne asked you a set of rather important questions, I think. That you've chosen to ignore them is rather telling.

I've chosen to ignore them? I didn't even know they existed until about ten minutes ago.

Still in top form, I see.

[_Tobin]

As a Mormon, I really like what Sister Brooks has to say since much of it reflects my own views. I'm sure I'd land on Droopy and bc's apostasy list somewhere, but I view their brand of conservative Mormonism unrepresentative of Mormonism too.

"Conservative Mormonism?"
What on earth is that?

It is akin to fascism. It is a version of Mormonism draped in the American flag and belonging to the Republican party that feels the need to attack gays and suppress women's rights. It is heavily empowered in the current Mormon leadership at this time and often best championed by BKP. They often characterize the advancement of gay rights (something that you oppose) as the decline of modern society. I find this hilarious. Let's consider a society that not only removed all rights from homosexuals, but had them wear designations (and eventually exterminated them). That would be Nazi Germany. This would seem to be the ideal model of a sociey for conservative Mormonism since it did everything to gays that these conservative Mormons dream of.

[_Droopy]

So long as the (essentially) oldest member of the 12 becomes the next leader of the church, the conservative core will remain in power.

There is no "conservative core." The Brethren are united in their allegiance to the restored gospel of Jesus Christ, and that is a system of eternal laws, principles, and teachings. Its not going to change - ever - and the Church won't leave the light on for you like Motel 6 if you wait too long to grasp the Iron Rod.

To the degree there are truths outside the church that mirror, support, or add to those within, they will be absorbed into Zion. Hence, the conservatism you think you see here.

[_Droopy]

"Conservative Mormonism?"
What on earth is that?

It is akin to fascism. It is a version of Mormonism draped in the American flag and belonging to the Republican party that feels the need to attack gays and suppress women's rights.

Now that I'm quite satisfied that you have no idea whatever what you're talking about, and have no clue as to what "fascism" is, I can safely ignore you from this point onwards.

It is heavily empowered in the current Mormon leadership at this time and often best championed by BKP. They often characterize the advancement of gay rights (something that you oppose) as the decline of modern society.

Homosexuality, like all perversions/distortions of the laws of human sexual relations as revealed in the gospel of Jesus Christ, represents the decline of the soul. Hence, when a society accepts and legitimizes it on a mass scale, it represents the moral, cultural, intellectual, and spiritual decline of that civilization (among other factors as a society nears "ripeness.")

I find this hilarious.

Yes, people in the Great and Spacious Building are funny that way.

Let's consider a society that not only removed all rights from homosexuals, but had them wear designations (and eventually exterminated them). That would be Nazi Germany.

The Nazis did persecute some homosexuals. The Nazi political inner circle, the SS, and other of its institutions were loaded with them.

This would seem to be the ideal model of a society for conservative Mormonism since it did everything to gays that these conservative Mormons dream of.

You're a Coco Puff, and I'm not Coo Coo for them.

[_lulu]

The Nazis did persecute some homosexuals. The Nazi political inner circle, the SS, and other of its institutions were loaded with them.

And this would say what about you, Droopy?

[_moksha]

Any chance this attack on Brooks is part of a planned Mitt strategy? Joanna Brooks is one of the people the world media would be turning to for Mormon information secondary to the Coming of Mitt.

[_Droopy]

The Nazis did persecute some homosexuals. The Nazi political inner circle, the SS, and other of its institutions were loaded with them.

And this would say what about you, Droopy?

Well, being neither a Nazi or a homosexual (or a Nazi homosexual), I really can't say.

[_Droopy]

Any chance this attack on Brooks is part of a planned Mitt strategy? Joanna Brooks is one of the people the world media would be turning to for Mormon information secondary to the Coming of Mitt.

Its not an attack. Its a critique, and a critical analysis of Brook's own words and statements.

[_Blixa]

The Nazis did persecute some homosexuals. The Nazi political inner circle, the SS, and other of its institutions were loaded with them.

And this would say what about you, Droopy?

I don't know why you bother, lulu. Clearly you've got much more interesting things to talk about. Don't waste your time with anyone capable of such laughable statements. Life is far too short.