Mormon Feminism is Back (and its Name is Still "Apostasy.")

[_zeezrom]

Droopy,

You have no criticism of the items I listed from the First Wave? Does this mean you approve of the ideas these people were pushing? I want to make sure I understand.

Thanks,

Zee.

[_Shulem]

It's great to have Droopy on ignore so I only read the anti-Droopy posts. It seems he is being beaten up again.

Hopefully more Mormon women will demand their rights and apostatize from the Church! They'll become better women for doing that. The more Mormon women that leave the church the better.

Apostasty is a BEAUTIFUL thing! Being a devout Mormon is ugly.



Paul O

[_Boyd_K_Packer]

The First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve unanimously support Droopy's statement on feminazis. No woman who supports feminist causes can remain a member in good standing. It is the official position of the church that feminism is one of the three great threats to the church, along with the queers and the so-called intellectuals. The lamestream media and all those liberals out there want us to cave. But we will not. We've always counseled in the Church for our Mexican members to marry Mexicans, our Japanese members to marry Japanese, our Negroes to marry Negroes, our Caucasians to marry Caucasians, and our Polynesian members to marry Polynesians. We started going soft on interracial marriage sometime in the 80s, and sure enough I see more and more beautiful white girls in the church marrying spooks and wetbacks who ultimately become a drain on the church welfare system. We must learn our lesson from these failed liberal policies. We cannot soften our position on the women folk. We cannot allow any mutiny to take hold at the grass roots. If we liberalize our position on women even a tiny bit, we are on a slippery slope to Hillary Clinton. A woman asking for the priesthood is like a woman asking for keys to your car. You just don't do it unless you want to pay a steep price. The car only costs money, but there are eternal costs to the damage done to the priesthood. We must remove these liberal ideas from our lives. Whenever a liberal thought begins to enters my mind, I like to sing a hymn to get it out. I counsel all to do the same. It is the natural order for men to lead the lord's church. If God wanted women in charge, he would have given Adam breasts. But he didn't. So there. You do not need to worry yourselves about Joanna brooks. I will deal with her personally.

I say these things in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.

[_Nomomo]

The First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve unanimously support Droopy's statement on feminazis. No woman who supports feminist causes can remain a member in good standing. It is the official position of the church that feminism is one of the three great threats to the church, along with the queers and the so-called intellectuals. The lamestream media and all those liberals out there want us to cave. But we will not. We've always counseled in the Church for our Mexican members to marry Mexicans, our Japanese members to marry Japanese, our Negroes to marry Negroes, our Caucasians to marry Caucasians, and our Polynesian members to marry Polynesians. We started going soft on interracial marriage sometime in the 80s, and sure enough I see more and more beautiful white girls in the church marrying spooks and wetbacks who ultimately become a drain on the church welfare system. We must learn our lesson from these failed liberal policies. We cannot soften our position on the women folk. We cannot allow any mutiny to take hold at the grass roots. If we liberalize our position on women even a tiny bit, we are on a slippery slope to Hillary Clinton. A woman asking for the priesthood is like a woman asking for keys to your car. You just don't do it unless you want to pay a steep price. The car only costs money, but there are eternal costs to the damage done to the priesthood. We must remove these liberal ideas from our lives. Whenever a liberal thought begins to enters my mind, I like to sing a hymn to get it out. I counsel all to do the same. It is the natural order for men to lead the lord's church. If God wanted women in charge, he would have given Adam breasts. But he didn't. So there. You do not need to worry yourselves about Joanna brooks. I will deal with her personally.

I say these things in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.

Stop! Stop! Please! You're killing me! *picks self up off the floor*

Hardest I've ever laughed here at MD.
I can hardly wait till you're the next Prophet!
It's gunna be a Gas!

[_Shulem]

I can hardly wait till you're the next Prophet!
It's gunna be a Gas!

Yeah, I want Monson-boy out. Bring in Packer-man because he's a tough cracker and will make the church look even more stupid then it looks now. Imagine Packer-man at the top! Women are weak. They are like fatty ribs that must be instructed in all things, and are thorns in the sides of men.

Let the women keep silent in the church! It is not permited that they speak, nor shall they think or say what's on their silly minds.



Paul O

[_Buffalo]

No they're not. You're making it up as you go along, Bluff, which makes you a shoe in as a major Brooks defender here. The idea of heavenly parents is conspicuous throughout LDS doctrinal literature and GA teaching over many generations. I see nothing changing as of the present.

Read it and weep. I'll expect you'll be issuing an apology to me now.

1997 Gospel Principles, p 13:

http://www.LDS.org/gospellibrary/materi ... ere_01.pdf

Our heavenly parents provided us with a celestial home more glorious and beautiful than any place on earth. We were happy there. Yet they knew we could not progress beyond a certain point unless we left them for a time. They wanted us to develop the godlike qualities that they have.

2009 Gospel Principles, p 10:

http://www.LDS.org/bc/content/shared/co ... f?lang=eng

Our Heavenly Father knew we could not progress beyond a certain point unless we left Him for a time. He wanted us to develop the godlike qualities that He has.

Droopy? Droopy?


Where'd he go?

[_lulu]

Droopy? Droopy? Where'd he go?

He's hiding under the bed with bcspace.

Do you think they keep their clothes on under there?

[_Buffalo]

Droopy? Droopy? Where'd he go?

He's hiding under the bed with bcspace.

Do you think they keep their clothes on under there?

Not if Wade's under there too.

[_Jason Bourne]

This was an interesting thread. I understand Droopy's points in the OP and yes he did make some arguments. Those arguments come from a very conservative and fundamental view of Mormonism. Based on Droopy's world view I understand why he makes the arguments he makes and why he view Brooks as a threat.

But Droopy, if you think her thoughts are an isolated or narrow view not shared by many Mormon woman you are mistaken.

Do you have daughters? I have three. All three grew up with me being very TBM and very much with the idea that their highest call is to be a good wife and mother. While I encouraged goals and education I always emphasized what the Church taught about working out of the home. etc.

Well fast forward to today. All three of them wonder if they have worth in God's eyes beyond wife and mother. All three want to pursue careers. My oldest has 30 year old friends who all cringe at the misogynistic patriarchy of the Church (past and still present). They tire of the oft repeated message of wife and mother being their main job and the culture that paints those who differ as apostate. They would love to have more opportunities to lead.

These are not aberrations Droopy. They are what women of our generation to some extent, really want. Certainly the generation behind us want such things even more so.

That is why I asked before what does the Church do with a Brooks. You view her and those like her as the tares. Maybe so. But there are a lot more tares then coming up in this next generation that shouted hurrah when Julie Beck (who took a very hard line about a woman's role in the Church) was released at the last conference.

The Church will continue to bleed out and lose such women unless it accommodates. Your approach is sure to drive many out. Is that what you want? Is that what the leaders want?

[_DarkHelmet]

The Church will continue to bleed out and lose such women unless it accommodates. Your approach is sure to drive many out. Is that what you want? Is that what the leaders want?

I'm sure Droopy would love it if the Joanna Brooks type Mormons just resigned. The problem the church faces is men are leaving/going inactive and just not buying the myth at a higher rate than women. When the man leaves but the woman stays, the tithing goes away for that family, unless the woman has her own source of income. The role of women is to raise righteous children, creating the next generation of tithe payers, but young people are leaving the church in droves, despite being raised by faithful TBM women. The strongest demographic the church has right now is women, and if they start driving out the Joanna Brooks types, who probably pay their own tithing, what are they left with? Valiant stay at home moms, with inactive husbands, inactive or apathetic kids, and no tithing coming in.