Allen Wyatt, Mike Parker & FAIR: A Growing Fear of Dehlin?

[Guest]

I am glad John showed up to set the record straight. It seems as though Greg Smith is really out to earn his stripes: gushing in risible hyperbole over Schryver's paper, attacking Rodney Meldrum, and now taking aim at John Dehlin. Here are the notches on the belt of an aspiring top-tier Mopologist. Shameless ambition, if you ask me.

[_Joe Geisner]

I am quite glad that Scratch is keeping these apologists feet to the fire. I am particularly glad that John was able to express himself in this forum and gives us some more information.

I would suggest that Peterson and co. feel that Greg Smith was the perfect person to write the article. He has absolutely no tack and will fall on any sword his buddies ask him to fall on of the faith.

[_Doctor Scratch]

I am struck by Dan Peterson's incredible cowardice. He is hiding: using his self-indulgent, uninspired and redundant blog to hurl limp-wristed attacks at the critics. Once upon a time he actually had the gumption to answer criticisms right here on the board. Once upon a time, he actually wrote these "hit pieces" himself, rather than hiding behind somebody like Dr. Greg Smith.

It's all really quite hilarious. I'm curious about how much of a delay this has caused the Review, and how much time Elder Greg Smith frittered away in penning this 100-page smear. All of this makes it even more interesting that they deleted the cyber-stalking bit from that FAIR Wiki entry. As I recall, Smith is heavily involved with the Wiki, and it was believed that he was responsible for that reprehensible gossip about Bob McCue.

[_MrStakhanovite]

The thing they hate the most is when one of their own leaves the fold and becomes something of a critic. I know it better than anyone.

It's hard for me to see John as a critic, if so, he is about as mild as it could come in my opinion.

[_Kishkumen]

The thing they hate the most is when one of their own leaves the fold and becomes something of a critic. I know it better than anyone.

It's hard for me to see John as a critic, if so, he is about as mild as it could come in my opinion.

And, to his credit, he was never on the FARMS/NMI/FAIR "team" of apologists.

[_harmony]

Well if a GA put a stop to it, they need to remove the disclaimer on their website that says, "FAIR is not owned, controlled by or affiliated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." If church authorities know about and are able to veto articles before they are published it appears as if the disclaimer isn't true.

All members are controlled by the church. Those that are not, are not members any more. If one of the GAs says "jump", the answer is "how high" on the way up. So in this case, one of the GAs said "no", and MI complied.

Nothing new in Zion.

It's interesting to see how the church chooses to deal with John Dehlin. Sometimes I think the only thing keeping them from excommunicating him is that it would make for bad PR.

Look at Murphy's example. Same deal, diffferent day.

But maybe they are becoming more accommodating to unorthodox beliefs.

You are so funny.

[Guest]

Allen Wyatt is a snake. A lying, deceiving nasty little man - along with his whole organization and the funding that backs it. He will do anything to lie and cheat for the Mormon Cult. Nothing he says can be trusted, period. John has the desire to show there are inherent problems with Mormonism. Wyatt and Peterson don't want anyone to know about these problems. So they do what they do best - attack, mislead, misdirect, lie, obfuscate. They set up websites to attack those who are critical of Mormonism. It is almost as if they do the dirty work of the Mormon Apostles - in a way that the Apostles can always claim they had no knowledge nor any backing.

EDIT: Removed most of content as it was really irrelevant to this thread.

[_Doctor Scratch]

The thing they hate the most is when one of their own leaves the fold and becomes something of a critic. I know it better than anyone.

It's hard for me to see John as a critic, if so, he is about as mild as it could come in my opinion.

I agree. He was reaching out to them when he had DCP as a guest on his podcast, and yet now it appears that they are stabbing him in the back. And the fact that Prof. P. is basically sneaking around in order to do this is pretty appalling, though it's not surprising. I suppose that some good may yet come of this: the younger "Vanguard" generation of apologists is already waking up to the fact that the Old School Mopologists are bad news, and this will only lead to more alienation, and more realization that the Midgley/Gee/Peterson way of doing things is problematic. But you would think that even the real hard-hat types--the Parkers, Wyatts, and so on--would find this level of cowardice alarming. Part of the reason that these guys got on board with Skinny-L-style apologetics is because they admired the was that Hamblin, Peterson et al. would go boldly "swashbuckling" with the critics. But now their "Kingpin" has been reduced to crouching behind the beanpole-ish Greg Smith? Really? Perhaps Parker, Wyatt, and the others are too stupid or careless to notice this, but I would think that wimpiness on this level would be extremely alarming to them.

[_Kishkumen]

But now their "Kingpin" has been reduced to crouching behind the beanpole-ish Greg Smith? Really? Perhaps Parker, Wyatt, and the others are too stupid or careless to notice this, but I would think that wimpiness on this level would be extremely alarming to them.

If DCP was willing to go out on a limb to push back against an apostle's opposition to this Smith attack on Dehlin, he may be more of a "kingpin" in Mopologetics than he has led us to believe.

[_Doctor Scratch]

But now their "Kingpin" has been reduced to crouching behind the beanpole-ish Greg Smith? Really? Perhaps Parker, Wyatt, and the others are too stupid or careless to notice this, but I would think that wimpiness on this level would be extremely alarming to them.

If DCP was willing to go out on a limb to push back against an apostle's opposition to this Smith attack on Dehlin, he may be more of a "kingpin" in Mopologetics than he has led us to believe.

Wow, are you suggesting that Prof. P. may have openly defied an Apostle's commandments?