From My Informant: Was Bokovoy Blackballed at BYU?

[_Chap]

I received an email from Dan last night. He mentioned, among other things we were discussing, this thread.

What is this relationship you have with DCP for MDB? Why can't he just log back into this message board and respond to these messages? Obviously he is reading these threads with great interest.

What, are you now his personal translator?

It is unfortunate because the real DCP isn't coming through, only your sanitized version of him is.

Dan and I have been pretty close friends now for the past 3-4 years. He has helped me with some personal issues, and has been a good sounding board for some professional guidance.

I have always spoken up for my friends. I don't view this as any different. I have done it for you; I have done it for Runtu; I have done it for Blixa; I have done it for Kish; I have done it for Paul; I have done it for Harmony...the list could go on.

I know this is getting a bit repetitive. But can you appreciate that some people (me for instance) would distinguish between these two things:

1. Speaking up for your friends. Example "It's not true that DCP is a monster who eats babies after sprinkling them with chocolate chips! I've had lunch with him, and I know he prefers tabasco."

2. Acting as a means for someone to post here by proxy, so that we never get to hear from that person directly, and don't get to answer him in any effective way. Example "DCP sent me an email last night setting out very convincing arguments proving that the Youtube video of him eating babies sprinkled in chocolate chips has been heavily doctored. In fact he was just eating outsize jelly babies of a rather lifelike kind."

[_Aristotle Smith]

Getting back to the subject at hand, this was probably a good thing.

BYU Religious Education is essentially an unofficial Quorum of Seventy, it's all about communicating the current position of the LDS church. Studying the Bible, Book of Mormon, D&C, etc. doesn't really happen. In fact they might as well rename the classes to all have this title: "The Current Position of the LDS Church with Constant Reference to X" where X is the Bible, Book of Mormon, etc. Actually teaching the contents of the books and teaching actual church history would be too disturbing for most of the professors and most of the students.

Bokovoy would have ended up getting canned at some point because my impression is that he actually wants to teach students what is in the books. Secondarily, he would have gotten canned for publishing about the actual contents of the books. I don't think he is a good fit for BYU, so in some ways it's more merciful to can him now, rather than string him along and can him after he had achieved some sort of seniority and stable living conditions for his family.

[_Kishkumen]

Getting back to the subject at hand, this was probably a good thing.

BYU Religious Education is essentially an unofficial Quorum of Seventy, it's all about communicating the current position of the LDS church. Studying the Bible, Book of Mormon, D&C, etc. doesn't really happen. In fact they might as well rename the classes to all have this title: "The Current Position of the LDS Church with Constant Reference to X" where X is the Bible, Book of Mormon, etc. Actually teaching the contents of the books and teaching actual church history would be too disturbing for most of the professors and most of the students.

Bokovoy would have ended up getting canned at some point because my impression is that he actually wants to teach students what is in the books. Secondarily, he would have gotten canned for publishing about the actual contents of the books. I don't think he is a good fit for BYU, so in some ways it's more merciful to can him now, rather than string him along and can him after he had achieved some sort of seniority and stable living conditions for his family.

Or, alternately, he may have made a positive impact on the place. But we will never know.

[_Aristotle Smith]

Or, alternately, he may have made a positive impact on the place. But we will never know.

Possibly. I must admit I have a uniformly negative view of the entire BYU religious education department. Even when I was a TBM I couldn't stand the religion classes. I think this makes the impact one person can have miniscule at best, especially since that one person would never control the purse strings, nor have any real power.

[_Yoda]

I know this is getting a bit repetitive. But can you appreciate that some people (me for instance) would distinguish between these two things:

1. Speaking up for your friends. Example "It's not true that DCP is a monster who eats babies after sprinkling them with chocolate chips! I've had lunch with him, and I know he prefers tabasco."

2. Acting as a means for someone to post here by proxy, so that we never get to hear from that person directly, and don't get to answer him in any effective way. Example "DCP sent me an email last night setting out very convincing arguments proving that the Youtube video of him eating babies sprinkled in chocolate chips has been heavily doctored. In fact he was just eating outsize jelly babies of a rather lifelike kind."

Well, I don't see anything wrong with my doing something in the vain of example #2. I guess this is where we will have to "agree to disagree". The reason I don't see anything wrong with this is because Dan isn't the only person I have done this for. I have done the same for the list of individuals I named in my other post.

[_Kishkumen]

Well, I don't see anything wrong with my doing something in the vain of example #2. I guess this is where we will have to "agree to disagree". The reason I don't see anything wrong with this is because Dan isn't the only person I have done this for. I have done the same for the list of individuals I named in my other post.

I can say that I appreciate the times liz has stuck up for me, and I don't want to constrain her from helping others as she sees fit.

[_Yoda]

Well, I don't see anything wrong with my doing something in the vain of example #2. I guess this is where we will have to "agree to disagree". The reason I don't see anything wrong with this is because Dan isn't the only person I have done this for. I have done the same for the list of individuals I named in my other post.

I can say that I appreciate the times liz has stuck up for me, and I don't want to constrain her from helping others as she sees fit.

Thanks, Kish!

[_Chap]

Well, I don't see anything wrong with my doing something in the vain of example #2. I guess this is where we will have to "agree to disagree". The reason I don't see anything wrong with this is because Dan isn't the only person I have done this for. I have done the same for the list of individuals I named in my other post.

I can say that I appreciate the times liz has stuck up for me, and I don't want to constrain her from helping others as she sees fit.

Who's 'constraining' anybody, for Pete's sake? My saying I don't think something is a great idea leaves Liz just as free as before to do what she thinks fit.

Even if you said you didn't think something was a great idea would still leave her as free as the air. ( I hope you agree.)

But I still think it is a good idea if people who want their opinions represented on this board say what they want to say in person, and can be responded to and even argued with in person. I suppose I must just be a lovable eccentric or something.

[_Kishkumen]

Who's 'constraining' anybody, for Pete's sake? My saying I don't think something is a great idea leaves Liz just as free as before to do what she thinks fit.

Even if you said you didn't think something was a great idea would still leave her as free as the air. ( I hope you agree.)

But I still think it is a good idea if people who want their opinions represented on this board say what they want to say in person, and can be responded to and even argued with in person. I suppose I must just be a lovable eccentric or something.

Sorry, Chap, I didn't mean to imply that you were actually constraining her.