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Re: Book of Mormon geography

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Tobin wrote:
Chap wrote:...
Yep, it's called faith. It is kind of a requirement. You need some to believe in this whole God thing.


But how do you know which of the very wide choice of deities you are supposed to have faith in?
Zadok:
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
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That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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Chap wrote:Errm, I think Tobin has forgotten that the topic is MesoAmerican archeology?
Not really. I just don't put up with ridiculous demands from people that don't really know much about anything. The idea that we can identify ancient cities with no independent documents or landmarks is patently absurd. People that make such demands are even more so.
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Re: Book of Mormon geography

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Tobin wrote:
Chap wrote:...
Yep, it's called faith. It is kind of a requirement. You need some to believe in this whole God thing.

Chap wrote:But how do you know which of the very wide choice of deities you are supposed to have faith in?
You have to have faith that God has certain characteristics such a omnipotence for example. Actually, it isn't really a matter of faith. It is pretty stupid to believe in a God that isn't omnipotent. What use would such a God be? None at all.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
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Re: Book of Mormon geography

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Tobin wrote:
Chap wrote:Errm, I think Tobin has forgotten that the topic is MesoAmerican archeology?
Not really. I just don't put up with ridiculous demands from people that don't really know much about anything. The idea that we can identify ancient cities with no independent documents or landmarks is patently absurd. People that make such demand are even more so.


So Mormons will have to give up the idea of finding support for the Book of Mormon from MesoAmerican archeology?

Fine by me.
Zadok:
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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Chap wrote:So Mormons will have to give up the idea of finding support for the Book of Mormon from MesoAmerican archeology?
Fine by me.
On that we can agree. I believe it is, at this point, ultimately pointless. They need to find:
1) Ancient american horse bones.
2) Rusted iron sword silhouettes.
3) Independent records written in reformed egyptian.

Unless and until they do those 3 things, they really aren't going to get traction in this area.
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Tobin wrote:[You have to have faith that God has certain characteristics such a omnipotence for example. Actually, it isn't really a matter of faith. It is pretty stupid to believe in a God that isn't omnipotent. What use would such a God be? None at all.


Uh-huh. So the only deity whose existence is likely is one that makes sense to the tiny speck of temporarily animated matter known on this board as 'Tobin'. Accept no other brands, including presumably the useless Mormon one, who can't create matter but has to make do with whatever he can find lying around 'unorganized'.

Sounds very reasonable to me.
Zadok:
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Maksutov:
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Re: Book of Mormon geography

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Chap wrote:
Tobin wrote:[You have to have faith that God has certain characteristics such a omnipotence for example. Actually, it isn't really a matter of faith. It is pretty stupid to believe in a God that isn't omnipotent. What use would such a God be? None at all.

Uh-huh. So the only deity whose existence is likely is one that makes sense to the tiny speck of temporarily animated matter known on this board as 'Tobin'. Accept no other brands, including presumably the useless Mormon one, who can't create matter but has to make do with whatever he can find lying around 'unorganized'.
Sounds very reasonable to me.
You are wrong about that. Most of the world believes in a supreme being for the most part. They just believe different things about him. Only a very small fraction of people in the world actually do not believe (3-7%).
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Tobin wrote:That is one of the beautiful things about Christianity. It has always been proven true in the studies that have not been written, research that has not been conducted and archeological evidence that has not been dug. - Tobin

A: Jerusalem.
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Tobin wrote:You are wrong about that. Most of the world believes in a supreme being for the most part. They just believe different things about him.
They may also call him by different names.
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Re: Book of Mormon geography

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Buffalo wrote:But there's no evidence that any city found thus far is in any way associated with a group from Palestine that worshiped Christ.
Actually, we have two records of groups described precisely like that. The Book of Mormon people and the New Testament saints.
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