Brant Gardner wrote:By the way, doesn't anybody here work for a living?!! I just finish a post and am told that I have one or two more that have just been added. I work from home and have a flexible schedule, but what the heck are you all doing? Get some work done for heaven's sake?
Of course, I think I had better do some of the same.
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Quit complaining. You start debating me and you'll be up all night biting your nails.
Defend the Facsimile and quit hiding behind the Book of Mormon.
Brant Gardner wrote:By the way, doesn't anybody here work for a living?!! I just finish a post and am told that I have one or two more that have just been added. I work from home and have a flexible schedule, but what the heck are you all doing? Get some work done for heaven's sake?
Of course, I think I had better do some of the same.
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I work from home writing computer code for Wallstreet banks, so I write a routine, compile it - then let the automated tests run while I read posts on here on my laptop sitting in the shade by my pool in Vegas. I love my life.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
lostindc wrote:I understand what you attempting to do and respect your attempts. Personally, I believe the lack of data makes it very difficult to map. In no way does the lack of data infer the Book of Mormon cannot be mapped in the future, but currently mapping is not possible.
Not to the extent that it becomes clear from the geography alone. Even the best correlations still have problems. My assumptions are that extra-geographical data can assist in informing the geography. I will have a paper on directions in the Book of Mormon coming out in the Mormon Studies Review. It won't be in the next one (which will be issue 2 for 2011!) but the one after that. I propose using the assumption of a Mesoamerican geography as justification for using a Mesoamerican cultural approach to understanding the text's use of directions. Interestingly enough, it fits very well as a reflection of Mesoamerican usage.
Book of Mormon of geography requires speculation to even begin the conversation. Until a name or similar phenomenon matches a location and at least a quasi-geocode can be established then we are left with speculation and this is not adequate geography.
I sincerely doubt that we will every have a name that is usable. We have Lamanai, but I strongly oppose that as a remembrance of a Book of Mormon name.
So, yes, there is a lot of speculation, but there are ways to work with other type of data to narrow the speculative field.
I want to be clear, in no way should one give up attempts to find Book of Mormon locations in relation to the actual earth, if this is their passion, but at the same time there is not one adequate Geography of the Book of Mormon theory.
I understand. I think there is one that is most useful, but it still has unresolved issues.
While in school, I often found myself speculating greatly while conducting research focused on the diffusion of a number of religions. More often than not, my speculation held true. Therefore, in human geography if you have hunch go with it.
Nowadays in my professional life, I am use to only applying my geography background to collected and subsequently verified data and turning this data into a story, sometimes a story on a map. Then having my peers review and assess my results and using these results to make decisions. Therefore, I have lost the spirit of speculation. Please note: I am more into management and less into the practical sides of geography these last few years.
I remember first encountering the subject of Book of Mormon geography and thinking: I can do this, but as I learned more about geography I learned at this point in time the lack of data makes it near impossible. Best of luck.
Brant Gardner wrote:By the way, doesn't anybody here work for a living?!! I just finish a post and am told that I have one or two more that have just been added. I work from home and have a flexible schedule, but what the heck are you all doing? Get some work done for heaven's sake?
Of course, I think I had better do some of the same.
[and it happened again when I tried to post this!]
I work from home writing computer code for Wallstreet banks, so I write a routine, compile it - then let the automated tests run while I read posts on here on my laptop sitting in the shade by my pool in Vegas. I love my life.
My life is so awesomely wondrous that I won't even begin to try to describe it on this board, lest it should drive the rest of you to black despair at the thought of how happy and fortunate I am ...
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Chap wrote:My life is so awesomely wondrous that I won't even begin to try to describe it on this board, lest it should drive the rest of you to black despair at the thought of how happy and fortunate I am ...
Well, in that case - can I borrow some money?
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Chap wrote:My life is so awesomely wondrous that I won't even begin to try to describe it on this board, lest it should drive the rest of you to black despair at the thought of how happy and fortunate I am ...
Well, in that case - can I borrow some money?
I never carry money. I have people to do that for me ...
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Chap wrote:I never carry money. I have people to do that for me ...
Fine. Can I borrow some of your people?
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Chap wrote:My life is so awesomely wondrous that I won't even begin to try to describe it on this board, lest it should drive the rest of you to black despair at the thought of how happy and fortunate I am ...
My life is wonderful too and I'm so happy! Just think how happy I was to finally admit the Book of Mormon was a bunch of made up crap by Joseph Smith and that the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 is a bunch of garbage.
If only Brant could do the same he might turn into an honest man. I realize the rest of you are nice to him but I really don't like him.
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Viking bastard ... fortunately I have the nuclear codes in my desk drawer ...
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.