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That's sure impressive. Some YouTube, and an initiative. Compare and contrast, and then tell me again why people seem a little confused (lets not forget the sheer amount of time he spends on the internet defending his faith)?

"Secret Combinations" Revisited
Volume: 1 Issue: 1
A Response: "What the Manuscripts and the Eyewitnesses Tell Us about the Translation of the Book of Mormon"
Volume: 11 Issue: 2
Nephi and His Asherah
Volume: 9 Issue: 2

A Modern Malleus maleficarum (Volume 3 Issue 1)
A review of "The Best Kept Secrets in the Book of Mormon" Written by Loftes Tryk
Afterword (Volume 11 Issue 2)
Authority in the Book of Mosiah (Volume 18 Issue 1)
Book Notes (Volume 21 Issue 2)
Chattanooga Cheapshot, or The Gall of Bitterness (Volume 5 Issue 1)
A review of "Everything You Ever Wanted to Know about Mormonism" Written by John Ankerberg and John Weldon
Christ-Bearer (Volume 8 Issue 1)
A review of "Christopher Columbus: A Latter-day Saint Perspective" Written by Arnold K. Garr
Constancy amid Change (Volume 8 Issue 2)
A review of "Behind the Mask of Mormonism" Written by John Ankerberg and John Weldon
David Whitmer Interviews: A Restoration Witness (Volume 5 Issue 1)
A review of "David Whitmer Interviews: A Restoration Witness" Written by Lyndon W. Cook
Decker's Complete Handbook on Mormonism (Volume 7 Issue 2)
A review of "Decker's Complete Handbook on Mormonism" Written by Ed Decker
Editor's Introduction (Volume 3 Issue 1)
Editor's Introduction (Volume 6 Issue 1)
Editor's Introduction: (Volume 16 Issue 2)
Editor's Introduction: (Volume 19 Issue 2)
Editor's Introduction: "The Worst Herricy Man Can Preach" (Volume 12 Issue 1)
Editor's Introduction: "To Cheer, to Raise, to Guide": Twenty-Two Years of the FARMS Review (Volume 23 Issue 1)
Editor's Introduction: "What Has Athens to Do with Jerusalem?": Apostasy and Restoration in the Big Picture (Volume 12 Issue 2)
Editor's Introduction: American Apocrypha? (Volume 13 Issue 1)
Editor's Introduction: An Unapologetic Apology for Apologetics (Volume 22 Issue 2)
Editor's Introduction: By What Measure Shall We Mete? (Volume 2 Issue 1)
A review of "Hodgson's Test"
Editor's Introduction: Doubting the Doubters (Volume 8 Issue 2)
Editor's Introduction: Fictionary (Volume 10 Issue 2)
Editor's Introduction: Historical Concreteness, or Speculative Abstraction? (Volume 14 Issue 1)
Editor's Introduction: In the Land of the Lotus-Eaters (Volume 10 Issue 1)
Editor's Introduction: Of "Galileo Events," Hype, and Suppression: Or, Abusing Science and its History (Volume 15 Issue 2)
Editor's Introduction: Perceptions and Expectations (Volume 11 Issue 1)
Editor's Introduction: QnA (Volume 13 Issue 2)
Editor's Introduction: Questions to Legal Answers (Volume 4 Issue 1)
Editor's Introduction: Reflections on the Reactions to Rough Stone Rolling and Related Matters (Volume 19 Issue 1)
Editor's Introduction: The Review Crosses a Divide of Its Own (Volume 11 Issue 2)
Editor's Introduction: Through a Glass, Darkly (Volume 9 Issue 2)
Editor's Introduction: Traditions of the Fathers (Volume 9 Issue 1)
Editor's Introduction: Triptych (Inspired by Hieronymus Bosch) (Volume 8 Issue 1)
Editor's Introduction: Where Ideas Won't Face Serious Challenge (Volume 21 Issue 1)
Editor's Introduction—Not So Easily Dismissed: Some Facts for Which Counterexplanations of the Book of Mormon Will Need to Account (Volume 17 Issue 2)
Editor's Introduction—The Witchcraft Paradigm: On Claims to (Volume 18 Issue 2)
Ein Heldenleben? On Thomas Stuart Ferguson as an Elias for Cultural Mormons (Volume 16 Issue 1)
A review of "Quest for the Gold Plates: Thomas Stuart Ferguson's Archaeological Search for the Book of Mormon." Written by Stan Larson
Introduction (Volume 1 Issue 1)
Introduction (Volume 6 Issue 2)
Introduction (Volume 7 Issue 1)
Introduction (Volume 7 Issue 2)
Mormon in the Fiery Furnace Or, Loftes Tryk Goes to Cambridge (Volume 6 Issue 2)
A review of "The Refiner's Fire: The Making of Mormon Cosmology, 1644-1844" Written by John L. Brooke
Mormonism (Volume 8 Issue 1)
A review of "Mormonism" Written by Kurt Van Gorden
Mormonism as a Restoration (Volume 18 Issue 1)
Mormonism: The Prophet, the Book and the Cult. (Volume 2 Issue 1)
A review of "Mormonism: The Prophet, the Book and the Cult." Written by Peter Bartley
On the New World Archaeological Foundation (Volume 16 Issue 1)
A review of "Behind the Mask of Mormonism" Written by John Ankerberg, John Weldon
Prolegomena to the DNA Articles (Volume 15 Issue 2)
A review of "Prolegomena to the DNA Articles"
Reflections on Secular Anti-Mormonism (Volume 17 Issue 2)
Skin Deep (Volume 9 Issue 2)
A review of "Die Mormonen: Sekte oder neue Kirche Jesu Christi?" Written by Rüdiger Hauth
Stories from the Early Saints: Converted by the Book of Mormon (Volume 4 Issue 1)
A review of "Stories from the Early Saints: Converted by the Book of Mormon" Written by Susan Easton Black
Text and Context (Volume 6 Issue 1)
The Book of Mormon: First Nephi, The Doctrinal Foundation. (Volume 1 Issue 1)
A review of "The Book of Mormon: First Nephi, The Doctrinal Foundation." Written by Monte S. Nyman, and Charles D. Tate Jr.
The Evangelical Is Our Brother (Volume 11 Issue 2)
A review of "How Wide the Divide? A Mormon and an Evangelical in Conversation" Written by Craig L. Blomberg and Stephen E. Robinson
The Prophetic Book of Mormon (Volume 2 Issue 1)
A review of "The Prophetic Book of Mormon" Written by Hugh Nibley
Two Pahute Indian Legends: "Why the Grand Canyon Was Made" and "The Three Days of Darkness" (Volume 1 Issue 1)
A review of "Two Pahute Indian Legends: Why the Grand Canyon Was Made and The Three Days of Darkness" Written by William Rees Palmer
What Certain Baptists Think They Know about the Restored Gospel (Volume 10 Issue 1)
A review of "The Mormon Puzzle: Understanding and Witnessing to Latter-day Saints" Written by North American Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention
Yet More Abuse of B. H. Roberts (Volume 9 Issue 1)
A review of "The Disappointment of B. H. Roberts: Five Questions That Forced a Mormon General Authority to Abandon the Book of Mormon" Written by James R. Spencer

1 Nephi 1–7
Comparing LDS Beliefs with First-Century Christianity
Evidences of the Book of Mormon
On Alma 7:10 and the Birthplace of Jesus Christ
Other Voices from the Dust
The Keystone of Our Religion

A Scholar Looks at Evidences for the Book of Mormon
The Work of Hugh W. Nibley:
Nibley as Apologist

Astronomy, Papyrus, and Covenant:
And I Saw the Stars -- The Book of Abraham and Ancient Geocentric Astronomy
Book of Mormon Authorship Revisited: The Evidence for Ancient Origins:
Is the Book of Mormon True?: Notes on the Debate
By Study and Also by Faith: Volume 1:
Does the Qur'an Teach Creation Ex Nihilo?
Echoes and Evidences of the Book of Mormon:
Introduction
By the Gift and Power of God
Not Joseph's, and Not Modern
The Power of Evidence in the Nurturing of Faith
New Light from Arabia on Lehi's Trail
By Objective Measures: Old Wine into Old Bottles
Hebraisms and Other Ancient Peculiarities in the Book of Mormon
Ancient Texts in Support of the Book of Mormon
How Could Joseph Smith Write So Accurately about Ancient American Civilization?
The Wrong Type of Book
A Steady Stream of Significant Recognitions
Converging Paths: Language and Cultural Notes on the Ancient Near Eastern Background of the Book of Mormon
From a Convert's Viewpoint
Appendix: Echoes and Evidences from the Writings of Hugh Nibley
Expressions of Faith: Testimonies of Latter-day Saint Scholars:
"Shall We Not Go On in So Great a Cause"
Mormons, Scripture, and the Ancient World: Studies in Honor of John L. Sorenson:
Nephi and His Asherah: A Note on 1 Nephi 11:8—23
Offenders for a Word:
Introduction
Is Mormonism Christian? An Investigation of Definitions, part 1
Is Mormonism Christian? An Investigation of Definitions, part 2
Is Mormonism Christian? An Investigation of Definitions, part 3
Mormonism as "Cult": The Limits of Lexical Polemics
Bibliography
Reexploring the Book of Mormon:
"Secret Combinations"
Revelation, Reason, and Faith: Essays in Honor of Truman G. Madsen:
Introduction
Truman Madsen, On His Education
William James on Religion and God: An Introduction to The Varieties of Religious Experience
Jesus Research and the Appearance of Psychobiography
Room to Talk: Reason's Need for Faith
The Mind's Road to Fulfillment, Self-Realization, and Experiential Knowledge: Some Tagorean Views
The Utility of Faith Reconsidered
The Spirituality of Love: Kierkegaard on Faith's Transforming Power
"Jesus, the Very Thought of Thee": Understanding the Christ of the Restoration and the Reformation
Sin, Suffering, and Soul-Making: Joseph Smith on the Problem of Evil
On the Motif of the Weeping God in Moses 7
Ancient Views of Creation and the Doctrine of Creation ex Nihilo
Genesis 15 in Light of the Restoration
Joseph Smith Vindicated Again: Enoch, Moses &:48, and Apocryphal Sources
The Higher and Lesser Laws
Mormon Catechisms
The Theology of Councils
The Refractory Abner Cole
The Martyrdom: Joseph and Hyrum Smith as Testators
Placing the Keystone: George Q. Cannon's Mission of Translating and Printing the Book of Mormon in the Hawaiian Language
The Mystical Denial of Language
The Book of Job as a Biblical "Guide of the Perplexed"
Salvation and Redemption in the Judaic Tradition
A Simḥat Torah Practice and the Ephraimite Tradition
The Temple in Luke and Acts
The Dome of the Rock
Fundamentals of Temple Ideology from Eastern Traditions
"His Hand Is Stretched Out Still": The Lord's Eternal Covenant of Mercy
Rationales Are Theology in the Holiness Code
"Who Shall Ascend into the Mountain of the Lord?": Three Biblical Temple Entrance Hymns
Temple and Temples: Some Linguistic Reflections
Works by Truman G. Madsen
Contributors
The Allegory of the Olive Tree:
Graft and Corruption: On Olives and Olive Culture in the Pre-Modern Mediterranean
The Book of Mormon and DNA Research:
About the Contributors
Introduction
The Problematic Role of DNA Testing in Unraveling Human History
A Few Thoughts from a Believing DNA Scientist
Before DNA
Addressing Questions surrounding the Book of Mormon and DNA Research
DNA and the Book of Mormon: A Phylogenetic Perspective
Detecting Lehi's Genetic Signature: Possible, Probable, or Not?
Who Are the Children of Lehi?
Nephi's Neighbors: Book of Mormon Peoples and Pre-Columbian Populations
Swimming in the Gene Pool: Israelite Kinship Relations, Genes, and Genealogy
Elusive Israel and the Numerical Dynamics of Population Mixing
Index
The Disciple as Scholar: Essays on Scripture and the Ancient World in Honor of Richard Lloyd Anderson:
The Throne Theophany/Prophetic Call of Muḥammad
Ye Are Gods: Psalm 82 and John 10 as Witnesses to the Divine Nature of Humankind
To All the World: The Book of Mormon Articles from the Encyclopedia of Mormonism:
Economy and Technology
Uncovering the Original Text of the Book of Mormon:
A Response: "What the Manuscripts and the Eyewitnesses Tell Us about the Translation of the Book of Mormon
Warfare in the Book of Mormon:
The Gadianton Robbers as Guerrilla Warriors
Notes on "Gadianton Masonry"

Avicenna: The Physics of The Healing (Hard Cover Book)
Offenders for a Word: How Anti-Mormons Play Word Games to Attack the Latter-day Saints (Soft Cover Book)
Revelation, Reason, and Faith: Essays in Honor of Truman G. Madsen (Hard Cover Book)
The Book of Mormon and DNA Research

- VRDRC
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
_RayAgostini

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:That's sure impressive. Some YouTube, and an initiative. Compare and contrast, and then tell me again why people seem a little confused (lets not forget the sheer amount of time he spends on the internet defending his faith)?

"Secret Combinations" Revisited
Volume: 1 Issue: 1
A Response: "What the Manuscripts and the Eyewitnesses Tell Us about the Translation of the Book of Mormon"
Volume: 11 Issue: 2
Nephi and His Asherah
Volume: 9 Issue: 2

A Modern Malleus maleficarum (Volume 3 Issue 1)
A review of "The Best Kept Secrets in the Book of Mormon" Written by Loftes Tryk
Afterword (Volume 11 Issue 2)
Authority in the Book of Mosiah (Volume 18 Issue 1)
Book Notes (Volume 21 Issue 2)
Chattanooga Cheapshot, or The Gall of Bitterness (Volume 5 Issue 1)
A review of "Everything You Ever Wanted to Know about Mormonism" Written by John Ankerberg and John Weldon
Christ-Bearer (Volume 8 Issue 1)
A review of "Christopher Columbus: A Latter-day Saint Perspective" Written by Arnold K. Garr
Constancy amid Change (Volume 8 Issue 2)
A review of "Behind the Mask of Mormonism" Written by John Ankerberg and John Weldon
David Whitmer Interviews: A Restoration Witness (Volume 5 Issue 1)
A review of "David Whitmer Interviews: A Restoration Witness" Written by Lyndon W. Cook
Decker's Complete Handbook on Mormonism (Volume 7 Issue 2)
A review of "Decker's Complete Handbook on Mormonism" Written by Ed Decker
Editor's Introduction (Volume 3 Issue 1)
Editor's Introduction (Volume 6 Issue 1)
Editor's Introduction: (Volume 16 Issue 2)
Editor's Introduction: (Volume 19 Issue 2)
Editor's Introduction: "The Worst Herricy Man Can Preach" (Volume 12 Issue 1)
Editor's Introduction: "To Cheer, to Raise, to Guide": Twenty-Two Years of the FARMS Review (Volume 23 Issue 1)
Editor's Introduction: "What Has Athens to Do with Jerusalem?": Apostasy and Restoration in the Big Picture (Volume 12 Issue 2)
Editor's Introduction: American Apocrypha? (Volume 13 Issue 1)
Editor's Introduction: An Unapologetic Apology for Apologetics (Volume 22 Issue 2)
Editor's Introduction: By What Measure Shall We Mete? (Volume 2 Issue 1)
A review of "Hodgson's Test"
Editor's Introduction: Doubting the Doubters (Volume 8 Issue 2)
Editor's Introduction: Fictionary (Volume 10 Issue 2)
Editor's Introduction: Historical Concreteness, or Speculative Abstraction? (Volume 14 Issue 1)
Editor's Introduction: In the Land of the Lotus-Eaters (Volume 10 Issue 1)
Editor's Introduction: Of "Galileo Events," Hype, and Suppression: Or, Abusing Science and its History (Volume 15 Issue 2)
Editor's Introduction: Perceptions and Expectations (Volume 11 Issue 1)
Editor's Introduction: QnA (Volume 13 Issue 2)
Editor's Introduction: Questions to Legal Answers (Volume 4 Issue 1)
Editor's Introduction: Reflections on the Reactions to Rough Stone Rolling and Related Matters (Volume 19 Issue 1)
Editor's Introduction: The Review Crosses a Divide of Its Own (Volume 11 Issue 2)
Editor's Introduction: Through a Glass, Darkly (Volume 9 Issue 2)
Editor's Introduction: Traditions of the Fathers (Volume 9 Issue 1)
Editor's Introduction: Triptych (Inspired by Hieronymus Bosch) (Volume 8 Issue 1)
Editor's Introduction: Where Ideas Won't Face Serious Challenge (Volume 21 Issue 1)
Editor's Introduction—Not So Easily Dismissed: Some Facts for Which Counterexplanations of the Book of Mormon Will Need to Account (Volume 17 Issue 2)
Editor's Introduction—The Witchcraft Paradigm: On Claims to (Volume 18 Issue 2)
Ein Heldenleben? On Thomas Stuart Ferguson as an Elias for Cultural Mormons (Volume 16 Issue 1)
A review of "Quest for the Gold Plates: Thomas Stuart Ferguson's Archaeological Search for the Book of Mormon." Written by Stan Larson
Introduction (Volume 1 Issue 1)
Introduction (Volume 6 Issue 2)
Introduction (Volume 7 Issue 1)
Introduction (Volume 7 Issue 2)
Mormon in the Fiery Furnace Or, Loftes Tryk Goes to Cambridge (Volume 6 Issue 2)
A review of "The Refiner's Fire: The Making of Mormon Cosmology, 1644-1844" Written by John L. Brooke
Mormonism (Volume 8 Issue 1)
A review of "Mormonism" Written by Kurt Van Gorden
Mormonism as a Restoration (Volume 18 Issue 1)
Mormonism: The Prophet, the Book and the Cult. (Volume 2 Issue 1)
A review of "Mormonism: The Prophet, the Book and the Cult." Written by Peter Bartley
On the New World Archaeological Foundation (Volume 16 Issue 1)
A review of "Behind the Mask of Mormonism" Written by John Ankerberg, John Weldon
Prolegomena to the DNA Articles (Volume 15 Issue 2)
A review of "Prolegomena to the DNA Articles"
Reflections on Secular Anti-Mormonism (Volume 17 Issue 2)
Skin Deep (Volume 9 Issue 2)
A review of "Die Mormonen: Sekte oder neue Kirche Jesu Christi?" Written by Rüdiger Hauth
Stories from the Early Saints: Converted by the Book of Mormon (Volume 4 Issue 1)
A review of "Stories from the Early Saints: Converted by the Book of Mormon" Written by Susan Easton Black
Text and Context (Volume 6 Issue 1)
The Book of Mormon: First Nephi, The Doctrinal Foundation. (Volume 1 Issue 1)
A review of "The Book of Mormon: First Nephi, The Doctrinal Foundation." Written by Monte S. Nyman, and Charles D. Tate Jr.
The Evangelical Is Our Brother (Volume 11 Issue 2)
A review of "How Wide the Divide? A Mormon and an Evangelical in Conversation" Written by Craig L. Blomberg and Stephen E. Robinson
The Prophetic Book of Mormon (Volume 2 Issue 1)
A review of "The Prophetic Book of Mormon" Written by Hugh Nibley
Two Pahute Indian Legends: "Why the Grand Canyon Was Made" and "The Three Days of Darkness" (Volume 1 Issue 1)
A review of "Two Pahute Indian Legends: Why the Grand Canyon Was Made and The Three Days of Darkness" Written by William Rees Palmer
What Certain Baptists Think They Know about the Restored Gospel (Volume 10 Issue 1)
A review of "The Mormon Puzzle: Understanding and Witnessing to Latter-day Saints" Written by North American Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention
Yet More Abuse of B. H. Roberts (Volume 9 Issue 1)
A review of "The Disappointment of B. H. Roberts: Five Questions That Forced a Mormon General Authority to Abandon the Book of Mormon" Written by James R. Spencer

1 Nephi 1–7
Comparing LDS Beliefs with First-Century Christianity
Evidences of the Book of Mormon
On Alma 7:10 and the Birthplace of Jesus Christ
Other Voices from the Dust
The Keystone of Our Religion

A Scholar Looks at Evidences for the Book of Mormon
The Work of Hugh W. Nibley:
Nibley as Apologist

Astronomy, Papyrus, and Covenant:
And I Saw the Stars -- The Book of Abraham and Ancient Geocentric Astronomy
Book of Mormon Authorship Revisited: The Evidence for Ancient Origins:
Is the Book of Mormon True?: Notes on the Debate
By Study and Also by Faith: Volume 1:
Does the Qur'an Teach Creation Ex Nihilo?
Echoes and Evidences of the Book of Mormon:
Introduction
By the Gift and Power of God
Not Joseph's, and Not Modern
The Power of Evidence in the Nurturing of Faith
New Light from Arabia on Lehi's Trail
By Objective Measures: Old Wine into Old Bottles
Hebraisms and Other Ancient Peculiarities in the Book of Mormon
Ancient Texts in Support of the Book of Mormon
How Could Joseph Smith Write So Accurately about Ancient American Civilization?
The Wrong Type of Book
A Steady Stream of Significant Recognitions
Converging Paths: Language and Cultural Notes on the Ancient Near Eastern Background of the Book of Mormon
From a Convert's Viewpoint
Appendix: Echoes and Evidences from the Writings of Hugh Nibley
Expressions of Faith: Testimonies of Latter-day Saint Scholars:
"Shall We Not Go On in So Great a Cause"
Mormons, Scripture, and the Ancient World: Studies in Honor of John L. Sorenson:
Nephi and His Asherah: A Note on 1 Nephi 11:8—23
Offenders for a Word:
Introduction
Is Mormonism Christian? An Investigation of Definitions, part 1
Is Mormonism Christian? An Investigation of Definitions, part 2
Is Mormonism Christian? An Investigation of Definitions, part 3
Mormonism as "Cult": The Limits of Lexical Polemics
Bibliography
Reexploring the Book of Mormon:
"Secret Combinations"
Revelation, Reason, and Faith: Essays in Honor of Truman G. Madsen:
Introduction
Truman Madsen, On His Education
William James on Religion and God: An Introduction to The Varieties of Religious Experience
Jesus Research and the Appearance of Psychobiography
Room to Talk: Reason's Need for Faith
The Mind's Road to Fulfillment, Self-Realization, and Experiential Knowledge: Some Tagorean Views
The Utility of Faith Reconsidered
The Spirituality of Love: Kierkegaard on Faith's Transforming Power
"Jesus, the Very Thought of Thee": Understanding the Christ of the Restoration and the Reformation
Sin, Suffering, and Soul-Making: Joseph Smith on the Problem of Evil
On the Motif of the Weeping God in Moses 7
Ancient Views of Creation and the Doctrine of Creation ex Nihilo
Genesis 15 in Light of the Restoration
Joseph Smith Vindicated Again: Enoch, Moses &:48, and Apocryphal Sources
The Higher and Lesser Laws
Mormon Catechisms
The Theology of Councils
The Refractory Abner Cole
The Martyrdom: Joseph and Hyrum Smith as Testators
Placing the Keystone: George Q. Cannon's Mission of Translating and Printing the Book of Mormon in the Hawaiian Language
The Mystical Denial of Language
The Book of Job as a Biblical "Guide of the Perplexed"
Salvation and Redemption in the Judaic Tradition
A Simḥat Torah Practice and the Ephraimite Tradition
The Temple in Luke and Acts
The Dome of the Rock
Fundamentals of Temple Ideology from Eastern Traditions
"His Hand Is Stretched Out Still": The Lord's Eternal Covenant of Mercy
Rationales Are Theology in the Holiness Code
"Who Shall Ascend into the Mountain of the Lord?": Three Biblical Temple Entrance Hymns
Temple and Temples: Some Linguistic Reflections
Works by Truman G. Madsen
Contributors
The Allegory of the Olive Tree:
Graft and Corruption: On Olives and Olive Culture in the Pre-Modern Mediterranean
The Book of Mormon and DNA Research:
About the Contributors
Introduction
The Problematic Role of DNA Testing in Unraveling Human History
A Few Thoughts from a Believing DNA Scientist
Before DNA
Addressing Questions surrounding the Book of Mormon and DNA Research
DNA and the Book of Mormon: A Phylogenetic Perspective
Detecting Lehi's Genetic Signature: Possible, Probable, or Not?
Who Are the Children of Lehi?
Nephi's Neighbors: Book of Mormon Peoples and Pre-Columbian Populations
Swimming in the Gene Pool: Israelite Kinship Relations, Genes, and Genealogy
Elusive Israel and the Numerical Dynamics of Population Mixing
Index
The Disciple as Scholar: Essays on Scripture and the Ancient World in Honor of Richard Lloyd Anderson:
The Throne Theophany/Prophetic Call of Muḥammad
Ye Are Gods: Psalm 82 and John 10 as Witnesses to the Divine Nature of Humankind
To All the World: The Book of Mormon Articles from the Encyclopedia of Mormonism:
Economy and Technology
Uncovering the Original Text of the Book of Mormon:
A Response: "What the Manuscripts and the Eyewitnesses Tell Us about the Translation of the Book of Mormon
Warfare in the Book of Mormon:
The Gadianton Robbers as Guerrilla Warriors
Notes on "Gadianton Masonry"

Avicenna: The Physics of The Healing (Hard Cover Book)
Offenders for a Word: How Anti-Mormons Play Word Games to Attack the Latter-day Saints (Soft Cover Book)
Revelation, Reason, and Faith: Essays in Honor of Truman G. Madsen (Hard Cover Book)
The Book of Mormon and DNA Research

- VRDRC


Not sure why, but I have a hunch you don't like DCP.
_RayAgostini

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Kevin Graham wrote:I don't have an antagonism towards Islam. I accept the fact that it is an intolerant religion. Who could argue otherwise?


Me. I'd argue it. But would you listen? Doubtful.
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RayAgostini wrote:Dr. Peterson is a tutor/lecturer in Islamic studies and Arabic at BYU. To say that he "sit[s] around writing 'hit pieces' all day long" seems to be in the category of the Krispy Kreme myth.


Good point, Ray. He also finds time to do an amazing number of other tasks, many of which we will probably be unable to list.

It is a shame that he has to muddy all the good things he does with self-pitying threads and posts on MDD, bizarre political rants on Sic et Non, and misrepresentations about me and numerous other people he either considers an enemy on some level or just generally dislikes.

I applaud all the good stuff. MST, his work for the foundation on religious understanding, etc. All good and highly commendable stuff.

Much of his apologetic crap is exactly that--crap. It mars an otherwise commendable life.
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
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RayAgostini wrote:Not sure why, but I have a hunch you don't like DCP.


I don't care for his apologetics, but you know... When you get your point thoroughly refuted you can always make it about the poster, non?

- VRDRC
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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RayAgostini wrote:
Kevin Graham wrote:I don't have an antagonism towards Islam. I accept the fact that it is an intolerant religion. Who could argue otherwise?


Me. I'd argue it. But would you listen? Doubtful.


Surely you can do better than mimic Dan, right?

This is really simple Ray, but I'll make it even easier for you.

Either jihad was always understood as self defense, or it wasn't. This is an empirical claim, and it is easily verified. In fact, you'd be hard pressed to find a single Muslim who would assert such nonsense.

The question is, do you care about the truth? Does it matter to you? Because you seem more interested in attacking me that addressing what's actually truth.

Likewise, the fact that Avicenna believed the slaughter of women and children was justified when fighting against the unbelievers, is also an empirical claim that can be easily verified. Dan was wrong about that point and I corrected him. It drove him nuts too and so he had to do his usual evasion like he does with everyone else who makes him look the fool. Do you really think I'm the only person he treats this way? He now ignores MsJack like the plague when we all know she has done absolutely nothing to deserve his attitude towards her.

But what I presented above is an easily verifiable claim if you're willing to do the necessary research. As is Bill Hamblin's assertion that the dhimmis could "do whatever they wanted" under Islamic rule. Another idiotic assertion, though typical of the kinds of pseudo-scholarship that has become the trademark of FARMS. These are all empirical claims that can easily be verified. But the reason these guys despise me isn't because I'm a bigot, but rather, because I don't just sit by with tight lips while they lie to me. I correct their nonsense, and then we see their egos take over. When they cannot deal with refutations, they leave it up to their cheerleaders to rush in to help them.

And for me to be "antagonistic towards" Islam would require much more than my negative opinion, it would seem. For instance, when is the last time you've seen me post anything regarding Islam? It must have been several years ago. I don't concern myself with Islamic issues much. Haven't thought about it in years, except in the few instances where people like you bring it up as an example of my "bigotry." And the only reason my "views" made the news in Mormon circles is because of people like Bill and Dan who were desperately trying to marginalize me as some evil bigot - which is rather ironic given their overt bigotry towards former members and blind defenses of despicable characters like Pahoran and Schryver - simply because I saw through their lies. But lying about a religion is something for which both of them have plenty experience, so it just comes naturally to them I suppose.

The fact is Dan Peterson was never interested in what is actually true. he seems to think his job is to recreate truth in the image he would prefer, and so we get his desperate attempts to recreate Islam in a more tolerant image, and he doesn't really care that the majority of Islamic authorities disagree with him.

Ultimately, I don't give a flying rat's ass what you or Dan think of me.That is beside the point. The point being, Dan and Bill have told some flat out falsehoods about Islam. IF you cared half as much about truth as your signature suggests, then one might suspect you'd be among the first to verify their claims for yourself before allowing yourself to get sucked into their little smear campaign. You take too much for granted, things Dan has said.
_RayAgostini

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Kevin Graham wrote:
Either jihad was always understood as self defense, or it wasn't. This is an empirical claim, and it is easily verified. In fact, you'd be hard pressed to find a single Muslim who would assert such nonsense.


Funny, the industry I work in (taxi driving) is roughly 70%-80% Muslim; I work for a Sunni Muslim, and have many Muslim friends.

What you say in incorrect. Maybe you should get it from the horse's mouth.
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RayAgostini wrote:
Kevin Graham wrote:
Either jihad was always understood as self defense, or it wasn't. This is an empirical claim, and it is easily verified. In fact, you'd be hard pressed to find a single Muslim who would assert such nonsense.


Funny, the industry I work in (taxi driving) is roughly 70%-80% Muslim; I work for a Sunni Muslim, and have many Muslim friends.

What you say in incorrect. Maybe you should get it from the horse's mouth.


Well, the last time I spoke to a Muslim taxi driver - a nice guy from Turkey - he said 'my family aren't really Muslims. We are Shi'a.' Who was I to argue? I live in a place where the taxi drivers come from all over, and are usually worth starting a conversation with if you want to learn about a lot of places you might not go to in person. Now I know what a Shi'a guy thinks of his identity in a way I'd never have found in a book.

But it may be that your average Muslim guy who runs a taxi firm in the Antipodes may not be a better authority on Islam under the Ummayads than the average Italian Catholic who runs a taxi firm in Argentina is an authority on the Council of Trent. That is no criticism of them.

(by the way, I really feel uncomfortable with statements that say 'Islam is X' or "Buddhism is Y'. We need to ask where, and when, and in what connection if we want to get answers that refer to anything real.)
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Chap wrote:(by the way, I really feel uncomfortable with statements that say 'Islam is X' or "Buddhism is Y'. We need to ask where, and when, and in what connection if we want to get answers that refer to anything real.)


I agree. Also, "secular Muslims" may tend to give different answers than devout ones. I have spoken to several devout Muslims (who do all the Mecca stuff) on this very question of Jihad (because it's so controversial).
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I thought jihad meant "struggle" and that there are two kinds of struggle:

1. The most important struggle, the struggle against the "natural man" to perfect oneself and be the best Muslim one can be.

and

2. The later and lesser struggle against outside intruders. Here the struggle is to eliminate the infidel or otherwise pacify them from threatening the caliphate. In theory, this would be defensive, but often the best defense is a good offense.

Much less aggressive war on the part of Muslims these days. It's normally imperial America and her bitches droning the hell out of brown folk. (Count the number of warheads psychopaths on bath sides have access to and then tell me the 100,000s is less scary than the 2.)
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