What?????s wrong with Mormon Apologetics? My reply to Seth Payne

[_Molok]

Yes, it's pretty weird that you remember that and intend to use it. I also said inthis thread that I'd prefer you just regularly call me Stem or stemelbow, or mr. elbow if you prefer. Leave my real name for occasional fun, please.

There I asked you nicely. We'll see how it goes.

Don't cry for me, Davey boy.

[_Kishkumen]

Update: operation carried out. stemelbow and static are now on my "foes" list. I have not gained anything from their participation on this board, and I don't anticipate gaining anything from their board litter.

[_Molok]

R.I.P. Interesting Thread, we hardly knew you.

Please people, this gets annoying as hell. I reiterate my beginning of the year request to ignore the mouth breathers.

I am sorry to clog up an interesting thread for other people, I'll bow out of this one.

[_stemelbow]

Oh, is that not true? Then tell me all about how you do not believe the Book of Abraham to be ancient but nevertheless consider it scripture. I am interested in your views on this. Funny I have hardly read a comment from you on this topic other than by way of allusion.

Oh please. You woudn't bother to listen or pay attention if I did.

I will keep commenting on your output here, if I like. Why should I not? I don't think it is really about you, since I don't even know you.

Good. then the drama will increase, huh?

Stem, when you attribute feelings to me, you are making it personal. That is quite different from saying, "the intellectual history of these ideas is X." You see the difference? You can't say, "you hate [personal feeling] x-person," and not have it be a personal comment.

You can say, "I think the philosophy behind this kind of discourse is x," and not have it be a personal comment. Get it?

NOw perhaps you can realize the problem of attributing feelings to others. Whether you hate or dislike LDS folks who are labeled here as mopologists, I care not. I'm just observing based on your posts. It seems clear to me. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. It doesn't matter. But, that hardly means that when you single them out and complain about them, unfairly, I won't say something. I will.

Yeah, you're not getting it.

You're not getting it.

Oh, no, you are not a dummy, stem. You are a troll. You really can't read my mind. You don't know what my personal feelings are, and if you had any real integrity, you would refrain from this illegitimate exercise of "seeing through my attempts," because what this is, in other words, is a bad attempt at mind-reading. You won't, however, because that is your M.O. as a troll.

Sheesh. That is exactly what you are doing to others.

[_stemelbow]

R.I.P. Interesting Thread, we hardly knew you.

Please people, this gets annoying as hell. I reiterate my beginning of the year request to ignore the mouth breathers.

Interestingly, I contributed to this thread by agreeing with an astute post bysomeone who generally disagrees with me. In response things got out of hand by those who wished to attack me. I know it won't be seen that way by most who are not LDS, but that's what happened.

Easy to demonize and attack in some bully effort to censure the LDS participants though.

You guyss....your underhanded and pathetic tactics aren't getting you anywhere and then you blame others.

[Anonymous]

R.I.P. Interesting Thread, we hardly knew you.

Please people, this gets annoying as hell. I reiterate my beginning of the year request to ignore the mouth breathers.

+100,000

(Edited to add: I did get Kish's recommendation for Samuel Morris Brown's In Heaven as It is on Earth: Joseph Smith and the Early Mormon Conquest of Death out of the thread though. And Samantabhadra's comments were really thought-provoking. And of course, Stak's original point, that it's less form than content that is the problem, is, I think, an important way to re-situate the necessary criticism of most of what has passed for Mormon apologetics.)

[_marg]

Update: operation carried out. stemelbow and static are now on my "foes" list. I have not gained anything from their participation on this board, and I don't anticipate gaining anything from their board litter.

Why do you have to announce it..by announcing it you are attacking him ...and Molok has spent the morning attacking him. Sheesh there is so much attacking of stem..which makes for plenty of noise the very thing people have complained about with regards to stem. I don't see him initiating any attacking and harassing.

[_Chap]

Update: operation carried out. stemelbow and static are now on my "foes" list. I have not gained anything from their participation on this board, and I don't anticipate gaining anything from their board litter.

Why do you have to announce it..by announcing it you are attacking him ...and Molok has spent the morning attacking him. Sheesh there is so much attacking of stem..which makes for plenty of noise the very thing people have complained about with regards to stem. I don't see him initiating any attacking and harassing.

He has just been a confounded nuisance and a waste of bandwidth. David's assumed 'stemelbow' persona was however convincing enough for a while to persuade me to waste a lot of time actually talking to him politely, or replying seriously to his posts.

Having concluded he is a troll, I think it is legitimate to express some displeasure at that wasted time.

[_Kishkumen]

By the way, marg is on my ignore list too. Hey, marg!

[_Kishkumen]

He has just been a confounded nuisance and a waste of bandwidth. David's assumed 'stemelbow' persona was however convincing enough for a while to persuade me to waste a lot of time actually talking to him politely, or replying seriously to his posts.

Having concluded he is a troll, I think it is legitimate to express some displeasure at that wasted time.

I have nothing personal against, stem. I just find the whole effort to scuttle conversation through board litter to be pretty pathetic, and I am done wasting my time on it. Mormon Voices can find other victims. I am done being misused by them.